[Griff]

Well said Jag. Inject some actual capitalism into the picture.

Let's also remember that as a % of total population immigration is nowhere near a historic high.

Americas nativists have always felt threatened by immigrants, because they see the character of the country changing. People fear that we'll turn into a third world country but they miss the point that most immigrants come here to pursue the American dream, not to soak up welfare (of course we can address those who want to play the system). If we want a vibrant economy we need the influx of motivated people. That tendency to close borders and exclude people comes from the same kind of statist thinking afflicting other western economies. Too much state control in the name of conserving or liberalizing a country crushes individual initiative.

Somebody brought up the we're all immigrants thing, which reminded me of the beginning of the thread. I'd like to see the family tree of the BNP nutter, Griffin is a pretty common last name throughout Europe but especially in Ireland... If he's a British Nationalist of Irish descent there are some real strange social dynamics at work here.