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jane_says · 07-07-2004, 06:28 PM

Whew! Straw man much, smooth? None of the things in your first paragraph are possible according to existing US law. As for V-chips, I thought they were for TVs, but for the sake of argument I'll assume you mean an ID or tracking device. If that's not the case, please correct me. I think that even if the slightest hints if your scenario should come to pass, the Right Wing, Bushies themselves, would have him put out as the Antichrist.

The events you describe are so far-fetched as to be unanswerable. Someone, somewhere, is going to have quite a stockpile of weapons. Somewhere, that someone would have enough sense to use them against the president in this case, or the vice president, and whomever comes behind them, until the "regime" is ended. it's also my (admittedly unpopular) opinion that if the Iraqi people had truly wanted out from under Saddam and his ilk, they'd have staged coup after coup until sanity prevailed. But they didn't. My belief is that horror, if it's an already known, predictable horror, is preferable to the unknown in many cases. People are scared of change - think, on a smaller scale, of battered spouses afraid to leave.

The Brits are our allies. We are not allies to the Iraqis. I don't recall us sending ballots out to Joe and Mary Muslim asking if they wanted our help. I recall dancing in the streets when the statue of Saddam was overturned, but I don't recall them singing our praises much since then. Maybe that's because we aren't asking?

I have to believe that even while making this argument, you see the folly in it. I understand using hyperbole to make a point, but I'm sure you recognize that what you are suggesting *might* happen is a distinct impossibility, so there's no merit in saying what I might or might not feel. The sky *might* fall, and I *might* wish for someone to prop it back up, but as rational thought prevents me from worrying about it, I cannot speculate what my reaction might be.

Our unwarranted invasion of Iraq is not a hypothetic, it has already occured. As I said before, I do not condone killing. But I have to wonder why that now, since we have the dictator in hand, we continue to occupy a nation which has every bit as much right to sovreignty as we do, and to terrorize, imprison and abuse its citizens.

07-07-2004, 06:28 PM	#15
jane_says Colonist Extraordinaire Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SW VA Posts: 200	Whew! Straw man much, smooth? None of the things in your first paragraph are possible according to existing US law. As for V-chips, I thought they were for TVs, but for the sake of argument I'll assume you mean an ID or tracking device. If that's not the case, please correct me. I think that even if the slightest hints if your scenario should come to pass, the Right Wing, Bushies themselves, would have him put out as the Antichrist. The events you describe are so far-fetched as to be unanswerable. Someone, somewhere, is going to have quite a stockpile of weapons. Somewhere, that someone would have enough sense to use them against the president in this case, or the vice president, and whomever comes behind them, until the "regime" is ended. it's also my (admittedly unpopular) opinion that if the Iraqi people had truly wanted out from under Saddam and his ilk, they'd have staged coup after coup until sanity prevailed. But they didn't. My belief is that horror, if it's an already known, predictable horror, is preferable to the unknown in many cases. People are scared of change - think, on a smaller scale, of battered spouses afraid to leave. The Brits are our allies. We are not allies to the Iraqis. I don't recall us sending ballots out to Joe and Mary Muslim asking if they wanted our help. I recall dancing in the streets when the statue of Saddam was overturned, but I don't recall them singing our praises much since then. Maybe that's because we aren't asking? I have to believe that even while making this argument, you see the folly in it. I understand using hyperbole to make a point, but I'm sure you recognize that what you are suggesting might happen is a distinct impossibility, so there's no merit in saying what I might or might not feel. The sky might fall, and I might wish for someone to prop it back up, but as rational thought prevents me from worrying about it, I cannot speculate what my reaction might be. Our unwarranted invasion of Iraq is not a hypothetic, it has already occured. As I said before, I do not condone killing. But I have to wonder why that now, since we have the dictator in hand, we continue to occupy a nation which has every bit as much right to sovreignty as we do, and to terrorize, imprison and abuse its citizens.