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Originally posted by Clodfobble
I'm merely pointing out that many administrations in the past have been this bad, and to sit there and point to Bush as some sort of maniacal sadist who planned this all from the beginning is silly.
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So McNamara or Nixon ordered torture in Viet Nam? Lets keep the issue straight rather than trying to paint George Jr as equal to any other president. Its not that torture existed. It's that torture and other such abuses were ordered and condoned at the highest levels of government.
Please name another post WWII administration that condoned torture at such high levels; that intentionally setup a prison in Guantanamo so that American principles of law could be intentionally violated. Is it a rant to note such autrosities ordered at the highest levels of government - or a blunt statement of fact? Appreciate the difference.
There have been other administration where autrosities and Constitutional violations existed. But only Nixon outrightly ordered such actions - repeatedly. How many presidents viewed the Constitution of the US as an impediment rather than an American principle? I can only think of two administrations that did this routinely - Nixon and George Jr.
How quickly the overall scope is lost if we only challenge one point. The George Jr administatration not just condones torture and violations of fundamental human rights. How many other presidents pervert science to promote a religious agenda? How many previous presidents encourage their religion beliefs to be imposed on others. How many other presidents would order a 'man to Mars' at the expense of all other space science only so that he could look as good as Kennedy? This president is that bad just too many times repeated.
To make your point, you must first show how torture in Vietnam was ordered in Washingtion. When in the history of this country did we setup a prison camp with the outright intent of violating both fundamental human right and American laws? No other president was ever so evil (as George Jr uses the word) as to do that. Make your point. Show me another administration that routinely violates American principles - on direct orders from the President? Please - show me where torture in VietNam was ordered at the highest levels in Washington?
Its only a rant if it is based in emotion. Facts say this president is that bad and possibily worse. At mininum, this is an immoral man who would have done well in the Spanish Inquistion.