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Originally posted by wolf
you forgot totally unanesthetized.
Don't they do the adolescent male circumcisions with only a mild contact anesthetic, or is that just bullshit via Alex Haley?
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I'll look this one up when I get home; moved on Tuesday, so no internet just yet. I've got a book (An Introduction to Islam, Frederick Denny) that, IIRC, has a fairly thorough explanation of the how and why of circumcision. Both sexes. I seem to recall that there isn't much/any anesthetic, though. Probably varies.
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Originally posted by Lady Sidhe
is so that women cannot feel sexual pleasure at ALL. Since women are supposed to be "fallen," it's supposed that if they can't feel pleasure that they won't cheat on their husbands.
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This is more thorough than anything I could come up with:
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensrightsbadawi.htm
But, in addition, there are a number of passages which directly refer to believers as being both male and female:
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(9:71-2, Yusufali. <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html">This and other translations</a>.)
The <i>Believers, men and women,</i> are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.
Allah hath promised to <i>Believers, men and women</i>, gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss is the good pleasure of Allah: that is the supreme felicity.
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I seem to recall reading something of a creation story paraphrasing the old "everybody created equal" thing, but I'm running out of battery power, need to turn in my last assignment of the term, and have been known to misremember things. Poke around a bit; there are lots of articles arguing both sides of every issue that's been brought up in this thread, many of them written by far more reputable sources than I. Failing that, you could just read the Qur'an yourself or something. ;)