[Griff]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"I think the part both commies and libertarians miss about cooperation is that different humans thrive better using different systems."

Oh, I get that, encourage that. If Stan is most comfortable in a collective, then Stan ought to work for that. But that ain't right for me, so Stan needs to be mindful that I'm not gonna play nice with him and his. Surely: I don't expect Stan to play nice with me and mine as we work for sumthin' loose & raw.

Ideally: we'd leave each other alone. I'm willing. Is Stan? Doesn't seem that way. I wanna de-regulate life. Even if I'm successful, Stan and his comrades can still voluntarily regulate their bodies, minds, souls to whatever degree they like.

Does Stan reciprocate? No. He, instead, demands I submit to the same regulation he wants for himself.

In short: I wanna be left alone, to leave Stan alone; he wants to wrap a leash (or noose) around my neck.

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"the "system" has to leave room for choice."

But it doesn't, and that's Stan's doin', not mine.

The 50 state solution mitigates some of this but I take your point. "Stan" and his opponent "Bob" both have grievances. Bob feels that Jesus shows his favor in a bank account and since he will be returning soon all environmental regulation is a farce. Stan wants a return to a "natural world". Is it fair to say that Henry wants to stay out of their argument so as not to be a nit-picker? Griff would suggest that decent science paid for by taxes could inform our decision making process and proper engagement with the regulators in the executive branch could lead to a reasonable outcome.