[lumberjim]

i wasn't encouraging you to hate me. i was saying that there's nothing i can do about it, so go ahead. and i am not trying to play wounded hero, either. I am simply saying that your dislike is founded in your own reasons. I treated you as a friend. yeah, we took shots back and forth, but i never intended any serious personal insult. You say your routine has worked well so far, and it aint broke. Let me remind you of your history that I was here for.

When I came on, you were buddies with dave and tony. you did things together IRL a time or two, even. You had the manifestos going strong, and the peolpe here enjoyed them.

then you and dave had your spat, and you turned a cold shoulder to him. he left. -1 friend

then i reminded people of dave, UT got bent then you got bent at UT and closed up the manifestos. -1 friend

Now, you butt into an argument that does not involve you, and post a poll to oust me. then you say "i voted "yes" out of spite because I don;t like you. -1 friend.

at this rate, your routine will have you fresh out of friends. You may want to consider taking a look at it objectively.

I know that you'll probably say that I caused both of those rifts, but I think we both know I was no more than a catalyst. Neither of those occurences were my intent.

I am glad that this thread came to be. It has opened my eyes in a couple of ways.