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Forum: Philosophy

10-15-2019, 07:37 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

:vomit:

:vomit:

Forum: Philosophy

10-15-2019, 06:36 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

"According to her, she doesn't think in words....

"According to her, she doesn't think in words. Especially-- NOT English, her native (spoken) language."

As I consider it: it's probably more accurate to say thnkin' is done by way of assigning...

Forum: Philosophy

10-15-2019, 11:46 AM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

"Do you think.... Because when we think, we think...

"Do you think.... Because when we think, we think in words.... That the language you know has a deterministic effect on the thoughts you can think? The ideas you can grasp..."

I think a large...

Forum: Philosophy

10-15-2019, 11:40 AM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

"listen" Yes? "you're a bad man" ...

"listen"

Yes?

"you're a bad man"

True.

"and I hate your face"

Forum: Philosophy

10-15-2019, 11:24 AM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

that's the thing, Flint: I don't wanna argue

I just wanna talk: agree where we can, disagree where we must, and part company at least not thinkin' poorly of one another.

Forum: Philosophy

10-15-2019, 11:09 AM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

"Yep, things work just fine without us." Yet...

"Yep, things work just fine without us."

Yet here we are, in every-increasing numbers, diggin' 'round the inner workings of Reality, tryin' to figure it out, gettin' it wrong some of the time,...

Forum: Philosophy

10-15-2019, 09:04 AM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

"it continues to work the way it does regardless of whether we understand it or not"

This applies to everything, the whole of the world, from the Planck length clear up to the universal.

There's no reason to plumb the depths, to climb the mountains, to leap into space, to probe...

Forum: Philosophy

10-14-2019, 08:05 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

We'll crack it, cuz we want to, cuz we can. ...

We'll crack it, cuz we want to, cuz we can.

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cross pollination: https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26822&p=428606#p428606

Forum: Philosophy

10-14-2019, 07:08 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

the hard problem of consciousness

yep

Forum: Philosophy

10-14-2019, 06:56 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

"The way I figure it, it's not important for us...

"The way I figure it, it's not important for us to be able to understand it. Insomuch as it's difficult to understand, the details may be easily explainable at a level that's beyond our grasp. That...

Forum: Philosophy

10-14-2019, 02:59 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

Why 'mebbe'? gut feelin'

Why 'mebbe'?

gut feelin'

Forum: Philosophy

10-14-2019, 02:59 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

By the way: your attached image is off the mark....

By the way: your attached image is off the mark. You say BOTH ARE TRUE but that's nonsensical.

What does my poll ask?

A human being is...

...bio-automation, organic machinery.
...sumthin’...

Forum: Philosophy

10-14-2019, 02:48 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

"You've shared a lot about what you think free...

"You've shared a lot about what you think free will "is" but, what do you think is it's origin? How does organized matter become endowed with agency?"

Hell if I know.

#

"Pardon me for my...

Forum: Philosophy

10-14-2019, 08:32 AM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

everything we (don’t) know about ‘stuff’ that may not exist

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 07:31 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

and that’s me done till (probably) tomorrow

later

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 07:28 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

“If life is common, and free will where there's...

“If life is common, and free will where there's life is common, where does the "humans are special" part come in?”

‘If’

As you say: we don’t know, may not ever know, may not be able to know.
...

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 07:05 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

“Also, if you can tell me what an Octopus is...

“Also, if you can tell me what an Octopus is thinking and why it doesn't have self-awareness, I'd love to hear it.”

I can’t tell you what Mr. Puss is thinkin’ any more than I can tell you what...

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 06:56 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

I know all this. The fact remains: matter, mostly...

I know all this. The fact remains: matter, mostly in the form of hydrogen, is rare; organized matter (complex molecules) are rarer still; living matter is even rarer; and - rarest of all - is...

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 06:44 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

“Like, what is free will? How does it work? Where...

“Like, what is free will? How does it work? Where does it come from? Do those kinds of questions interest you? Because that's what I'm interested in.”

That’s what we’ve been doin’: me, tellin’ you...

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 04:46 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

meh

meh

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 01:18 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

Also: it’s just dumb to say I abuse definitions...

Also: it’s just dumb to say I abuse definitions when even a casual review shows there is no consensus of what constitutes person, personhood, free will, agency, etc.

That is: none of this settled,...

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 01:03 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

“You've intertwined the discussed concepts of...

“You've intertwined the discussed concepts of human, person, and free will”

Cuz I believe them, in context, to be synonymous.

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“You HAVE "free will" and that means you can BE a "free...

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 12:57 PM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

More than once Flint has asserted we think we’re...

More than once Flint has asserted we think we’re special only cuz we feel that way.

Let’s see if we can establish the human being’s uniqueness, his specialness based on what we currently know.
...

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 11:46 AM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

“Free will is an agent THAT (not who) enables...

“Free will is an agent THAT (not who) enables humans to suss out their reasons...etc.”

I disagree. Free will is the agent which is the person which, in your case is, sexobon, and, in my case, is...

Forum: Philosophy

10-13-2019, 10:22 AM

Replies: 148

Poll: personhood

Views: 12,611

Posted By henry quirk

“This is tedious.”

Yes, it is.

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“Look, there's more molecules in one teaspoon of brain cells than there are grains of sand on every beach in the world. We can't possibly understand or predict every chemical...

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