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Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 06:43 PM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Dana -- that's precisely it, very well stated. ...

Dana -- that's precisely it, very well stated.

Jinx -- if we did make restitution, it would probably be because the powers that be decided that this restitution was good for society in general. ...
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 04:51 PM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
That was sarcasm. :rolleyes:

That was sarcasm. :rolleyes:
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 04:40 PM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Right or wrong, saying things like "I'm...

Right or wrong, saying things like "I'm smarter/superior/better educated" is pretty lame. Those who have truly achieved those superlative heights, whether it be knowledge, wealth, or spiritual...
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 02:34 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Very well. In that case, on what basis would you...

Very well. In that case, on what basis would you determine what is NOT someone's right?

Call me whatever you will, but don't you dare call me lazy. I've already read most of what you posted. As...
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 02:21 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Ethics aren't rules. Ethics are an intangible...

Ethics aren't rules. Ethics are an intangible sense of right vs. wrong.
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 02:03 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
OK. You want to alter my opinion about these...

OK. You want to alter my opinion about these mythical "rights," you need to give me:

1.) a list of them
2.) the story of how they were "discovered":



What equipment was needed for this...
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 01:21 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
:lol2: I'll be sure to bring your name up...

:lol2:

I'll be sure to bring your name up at my next monster-anon meeting.
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 01:05 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Huh. All rights are created equal, and I'm a...

Huh. All rights are created equal, and I'm a monster. Ooh, not just a monster, an epic monster.

I'm like Hitler!

You learn something new every day.
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 12:58 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
It was about money and power, same as every war...

It was about money and power, same as every war from the beginning of time. Rights were just a rationale, a PR spin.
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 12:42 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Oh shit, hang on - you're actually saying that...

Oh shit, hang on - you're actually saying that voting against gay marriage is equivalent to murder?

I am debating with a madman. :headshake

Well, I was warned, and I didn't listen, eh?
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 12:32 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
No, I've never heard of the Revolutionary War. ...

No, I've never heard of the Revolutionary War. What was that about?

You're awfully naive if you think those battles were fought for purely ideological reasons.

I suppose you think the Civil...
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 12:29 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Here's the thing. Aside from nitpicky,...

Here's the thing. Aside from nitpicky, circular-reasoning arguments about the definition and source of "rights," the point is what role popular opinion plays in our country's legislation.

Let's...
Forum: Politics 11-16-2008, 12:03 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
OK, you got me - I am not well versed in physics....

OK, you got me - I am not well versed in physics.

I suppose "gravity" itself cannot be proven or measured, but the effects of it can. But regardless of this, it can still be experienced -...
Forum: Politics 11-15-2008, 08:35 PM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Yup. :D

Yup. :D
Forum: Politics 11-15-2008, 08:34 PM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Well, you can list any number of opinions - smart...

Well, you can list any number of opinions - smart men, great philosophers, but I'm still not convinced that is proof. Gravity can be proven and quantified. Love, much like rights, means different...
Forum: Politics 11-15-2008, 06:47 PM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Yes, but where do they come from, these magical...

Yes, but where do they come from, these magical "rights"? Who says you've got 'em? Is there proof that they exist?

It's not so much that rights are a manmade invention, it's that man has...
Forum: Politics 11-15-2008, 10:29 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
I still don't think you're talking about "rights"...

I still don't think you're talking about "rights" here. Actually, I don't think there is such a thing as "rights" - I think they are a manmade invention, a rationale for what we're really doing,...
Forum: Politics 11-14-2008, 01:18 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Note to self: Read all threads, not just the few...

Note to self: Read all threads, not just the few that look intriguing in the 10 minutes between classes. ;)
Forum: Politics 11-14-2008, 01:14 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
OK, have searched, now see what you're saying. ...

OK, have searched, now see what you're saying. Something about having a battle of wits with the unarmed?
Forum: Politics 11-14-2008, 01:09 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
It's OK. I love debating poli sci.

It's OK. I love debating poli sci.
Forum: Politics 11-14-2008, 12:49 AM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Good gravy, Radar. Don't hold back, tell us how...

Good gravy, Radar. Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel, OK?

The question of "rights" is complex. Are we born with rights by virtue of being human, or is it awarded by the government...
Forum: Politics 11-13-2008, 11:50 PM
Replies: 283
Views: 37,834
Posted By Juniper
Oh, the irony indeed. Like it or not, freedom...

Oh, the irony indeed. Like it or not, freedom and democracy means that we've got the right to vote in some really boneheaded stuff.

Living in a country that has such freedom has its benefits,...
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