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Kitsune 11-09-2004 05:41 PM

Ashcroft and Evans call it quits
 
Ashcroft and Evans resign, which is two out of three I'd like to see go.

Undertoad 11-09-2004 05:42 PM

Sweet

tw 11-09-2004 05:45 PM

Add to the list of potential resignations: Powell and Rice. 'Real' president Cheney had the decision to torture prisoners in Guantanamo withheld from both Powell and Rice. Powell took it in stride. Rice was furious.

Powell is a most likely resignation. Rice is only a possibility.

Kitsune 11-09-2004 05:47 PM

Rumsfeld, maybe...? Maybemaybe?

Happy Monkey 11-09-2004 06:49 PM

Just watch Bush appoint Roy Moore...

Happy Monkey 11-09-2004 06:54 PM

Quote:

Ashcroft, in a five-page, handwritten letter to Bush, said, "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved."
Well, that's a load off my mind! :confused:

garnet 11-09-2004 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
Well, that's a load off my mind! :confused:

Say what? Was he being serious????? He's an even bigger goofball than I thought.

SteveDallas 11-09-2004 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad
Sweet

You're kidding, right?

You really think the Bush-appointed, Frist-approved replacement for Ashcroft is going to be any better?

Elspode 11-09-2004 09:27 PM

Man, this is *exactly* what I was thinking. Given the way things have been going, I'm concerned that we'll end with someone who makes Ashcroft look like Jerry Garcia.

Kitsune 11-09-2004 10:03 PM

Well, let me ask this: what is the reason that these two people were essentially forced to resign? Bush owns the next four years and has no chance of re-election. Why change horses, now? What does it buy an administration that has nothing to lose?

Clodfobble 11-10-2004 06:33 AM

Well, let me ask this: what is the reason that these two people were essentially forced to resign?

I don't think anyone was forced. I heard on some political talk show that not many people know this, but before an election every member of the White House staff turns in a letter of resignation, and they all expect that they might not be there next go-round. It's just policy.

glatt 11-10-2004 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
I'm concerned that we'll end with someone who makes Ashcroft look like Jerry Garcia.

I've heard Gonzales' name tossed around a lot as a possible replacement. He's an old Bush friend, and was the guy who wrote the legal memos saying that torture was OK and that the Geneva Conventions didn't apply to the US as long as we called the "prisoners of war" "enemy combatants" instead. He's the policy guy behind Gitmo and Abu Ghraib abuses.

Cyber Wolf 11-10-2004 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt
"prisoners of war" "enemy combatants"

Someone help me out...what is the official difference between a "prisoner of war" and an "enemy combatant"?
I figured if a war is going on (we're warring against Iraq and the War on Terror is still going on seeing how , isn't it...or is it an offical War since terrorism isn't a country with a government and population?) and one side's fighters takes members of the other side's fighters prisoner, then they are 'prisoners of war'. I don't quite see how 'enemy combatant' differs from that. And if the one side's fighters take another side's fighters prisoner when there IS no war going on, then that's Kidnapping/Hostage Taking, depending on their intentions. Or is it all just a big complex workaround so that our leaders can do what they want...pardon...do what they feel is necessary to the people they capture and keep various treaties and conventions at bay? I'm apparently missing something here.

Clodfobble 11-10-2004 11:52 AM

If you're arguing semantics,

prisoner of war = official soldier of the country
enemy combatant = guerrillas and civilians

But I agree that the distinction is moot.

alphageek31337 11-10-2004 12:37 PM

The essential difference is that prisoners of war have right under international law. We simply invented a new term for them, so that, being not prisoners of war, we can do whatever the hell we want to them, and we don't have to go through shady dealings like keeping them off of the books...


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