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Bullitt 11-04-2004 12:43 AM

Who did YOU vote for
 
There's no shame in voting for the loser.. be thruthful ;)

Troubleshooter 11-04-2004 07:43 AM

Didn't vote and proud of it.

glatt 11-04-2004 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
Didn't vote and proud of it.

You should have written someone in. There is nothing to be proud of.

Radar 11-04-2004 09:15 AM

Just because someone didn't win an election, doesn't mean they're a loser.

Troubleshooter 11-04-2004 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt
You should have written someone in. There is nothing to be proud of.

Why should I have written someone in?

And go into detail, I've heard a lot of reasons why I should have voted that don't really hold any water. Maybe your reasons are different.

See my post here.

glatt 11-04-2004 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
Why should I have written someone in?

And go into detail, I've heard a lot of reasons why I should have voted that don't really hold any water. Maybe your reasons are different.

See my post here.

I don't really understand your reasoning after reading your post, but it sounds like you didn't like the choice offered to you. There are 300 million americans. Surely one of them is qualified in your mind to have the job. You should have written that person in.

Not voting doesn't send any message at all other than you are a slacker. That may not be the message you want to send, but it's the one you are sending. Most people who don't vote think it doesn't matter, or they don't care, or they can't be bothered, etc. You group yourself with those people if you don't vote, and any protest you may be making is drowned out by the slacker company you keep.

If you want to send a message that you don't like any of the choices, but would vote for someone good if they presented themselves, then you need to write someone in. That shows you care enough to vote, and are not a slacker. It also shows you don't like the choices.

Not voting is throwing your voice away. At least a write-in will give you some voice.

Who knows, maybe I read you wrong, and you want to be a slacker not a protestor. If that's the case, then you shouldn't vote. But there is nothing to be proud of there.

Troubleshooter 11-04-2004 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt
I don't really understand your reasoning after reading your post, but it sounds like you didn't like the choice offered to you. There are 300 million americans. Surely one of them is qualified in your mind to have the job. You should have written that person in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt
If you want to send a message that you don't like any of the choices, but would vote for someone good if they presented themselves, then you need to write someone in. That shows you care enough to vote, and are not a slacker. It also shows you don't like the choices.

Not voting is throwing your voice away. At least a write-in will give you some voice.

Voting for someone is indicative of approval of that person. I would not want to send the message that I approve of Bush or Kerry.

If a write in is a voice then show me a list of the write ins for the election. If that voice is truly heard then such a list will exist otherwise it's weeping in the dark.

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt
Not voting doesn't send any message at all other than you are a slacker. That may not be the message you want to send, but it's the one you are sending. Most people who don't vote think it doesn't matter, or they don't care, or they can't be bothered, etc. You group yourself with those people if you don't vote, and any protest you may be making is drowned out by the slacker company you keep.

I am not most people. Most people rely on outside faculties for most of their decisions. Any message derived from my actions, other than the result, is merely that persons inability or lack of desire to know the truth.

I am anything but a slacker. I work, I'm in school and I have a family. My ultimate goal is to be an instructor. I'm hoping to break people free from the moribund habits that they have and realize that change is becoming more and more necessary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt
Who knows, maybe I read you wrong, and you want to be a slacker not a protestor. If that's the case, then you shouldn't vote. But there is nothing to be proud of there.

You have missed the mark severely.

I'm not mad, just disappointed.

glatt 11-04-2004 12:01 PM

I have read a few posts by you on this topic, but I still don't understand what you are trying to say other than you didn't like Bush or Kerry. If I don't understand, then what chance is there that any party or candidate is going to understand what you are trying to communicate with your lack of a vote? They don't even have your posts to read.

Let's look at it from another angle. What do you hope to accomplish with your lack of voting? It sounds like you are trying to accomplish something. Is that correct? Is it that your time is more valuable than the very slight impact your vote will have? That's the slacker view. Is it that you think that if enough people don't vote, some party will come to court you? Is it something else?

I understand the idea that any single vote will have an almost negligible impact on the outcome. A write-in vote (which, by the way, should be on a list of results in your county somewhere) has even less impact. But no vote has zero impact.

Troubleshooter 11-04-2004 12:04 PM

I'm still waiting for you to show me how much impact a write in vote can have.

Numbers are sufficient, I don't require a list of every written in item, just how many occurred.

Zero and statistically insignificant are still nothing.

warch 11-04-2004 12:31 PM

This is not about math. A write in vote is your personal act of demonstrating that you do indeed care about what you profess. Its your stand. It counts for that. It means that. And with out it, your words of protest and change ring hollow.

You say that you wish to help " break people free from the moribund habits that they have and realize that change is becoming more and more necessary". Well, you have to not just talk, but walk. That is the meaning in your "meaningless" write in. Its the start of change.

Troubleshooter 11-04-2004 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warch
This is not about math. A write in vote is your personal act of demonstrating that you do indeed care about what you profess. Its your stand. It counts for that. It means that. And with out it, your words of protest and change ring hollow.

You say that you wish to help " break people free from the moribund habits that they have and realize that change is becoming more and more necessary". Well, you have to not just talk, but walk. That is the meaning in your "meaningless" write in. A meaningless action towards change.

Do I get pictures to go with that or do I just run around in circles like it sounds?

If I profess that there is no one worth voting for and then vote then voting would be a lie correct?

warch 11-04-2004 12:40 PM

Maybe I am mistaken...do you support democracy at all? or advocate anarchy? which is fine, just be clear yourself.

If you still feel that there is worth in a democratic government, are interested in change but feel that there is no one you can support in this job, then vote "none". with out that act, your claim to that act, you are just blowing air.

I'm saying that you vote your convicitions and you vote for yourself first, the tally is secondary.

warch 11-04-2004 12:49 PM

One other thing, you sound only willing to act for change when you know its a sure thing, when there is critical mass. So you follow, eventually, rather than lead.

flippant 11-04-2004 12:50 PM

I knew someone that wrote in Abraham Lincoln. Don't forget to vote locally. Your vote does count.

Troubleshooter 11-04-2004 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warch
Maybe I am mistaken...do you support democracy at all? or advocate anarchy? which is fine, just be clear yourself.

If you still feel that there is worth in a democratic government, are interested in change but feel that there is no one you can support in this job, then vote "none". with out that act, your claim to that act, you are just blowing air.

I'm saying that you vote your convicitions and you vote for yourself first, the tally is secondary.

I believe in democracy. I also believe that our current system is broken. The people who are empowered to fix it at the moment are pretty easily convinced of what they should think.

I'm also of the opinion that things won't get fixed until they break a little more.

How exactly does one go about voting "none?"


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