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Undertoad 10-07-2004 05:00 AM

Bill Whittle says bin Laden is dead
 
Bill Whittle is an essayist with a bloggy site called "Eject Eject Eject", which is highly pro-US and pro-Bush and all full of WoTy goodness. He tries to convince us to vote Bush -- which failed, for me -- but in the middle of it, he makes a pretty strong case that bin Laden is dead. I was convinced, it's at least an interesting take on it.

I've taken this bit out of the whole two-part essay because Mr. Whittle is extremely long-winded. The following is very long-winded too, but I think he needs all that text to set up his point correctly.

(The bigger essay is here and that link doesn't even include part one.)

Quote:

First of all, you may recall that three years ago, the President -- correctly, in my estimation -- pointed out that this was not a criminal manhunt for Public Enemy Number One, but rather,

Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism.

"Secret even in success…" An interesting phrase, that. What does that mean?

Osama bin Laden has not been seen since the battle of Tora Bora in December of 2001. Remember now, this is not someone like Abu Nidal, a genuine terror mastermind described by the US State Department as having carried out terrorist attacks in 20 countries, killing or injuring almost 900 persons. Targets include the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Israel, moderate Palestinians, the PLO, and various Arab countries. Major attacks included the Rome and Vienna airports in December 1985, the Neve Shalom synagogue in Istanbul and the Pan Am Flight 73 hijacking in Karachi in September 1986, and the City of Poros day-excursion ship attack in Greece in July 1988

Abu Nidal was rightfully phobic about being photographed. Anonymity was camouflage to him: incredibly tight operational security, even plastic surgery. The man wanted to remain unseen. In fact he did remain unseen, retiring in his golden years to a nice apartment in Baghdad until he was assassinated by Saddam just before the war to maintain the well-established fact that Saddam had no ties to terrorism. No living ties to terrorism. Well, to that terrorist. It’s all very nuanced and sophisticated.

Contrast this behavior to that of Osama bin Laden, who did not operationally plan the 9/11 attacks (see dead underlings, above) but was rather the figurehead for an international organization of many thousands of fanatics, their numbers much thinned now.

Osama made endless videotapes. Lecturing, preaching, instructing, firing an AK-47: all the things that make young jihadis feel funny in the pants. After 9/11, he wowed ‘em in several tapes gloating and laughing over the attack and its aftermath. He was reliably heard on the radio during the final phase of Tora Bora, then…nothing.

Maybe he escaped. It’s possible.

Then came the videotape condemning the Israeli incursion into Ramallah and Jenin…only it didn’t. The US corporate scandals? Silence. Anniversary of Holy Tuesday? Cue the tumbleweeds.

The freaking invasion of a Muslim country by the Great Satan, and this new Caliph, the Leader of the Oppressed, cannot bring himself to shoot a crummy VHS in front of a white wall condemning this outrage? This glory-seeking egomaniac, the New Saladin riding the White Horse across the desert, who practically put out a 10 DVD commemorative set every time the US so much as hiccupped, is now suddenly silent, and has been for three years?

You may call that a Terror Mastermind. I call it a greasy wet spot on the wall of a cave in Afghanistan.

The man is dead. Dead, or just possibly captured. The likelihood of him having been killed at Tora Bora by US “outsourcing” was rising with his deafening silence concerning each American counterstroke and became 100% when nothing was heard from the late Osama after the US invasion of Iraq.

Does President Bush know what became of him? I would say, very likely. We know what did not become of him: he didn’t become a Martyr. He did not become the symbol of Glorious Death resisting the Great Satan. He did not become a Symbol or a Cause or an Example to Them All.

He became, if you will pardon the expression, AWOL. Bugged out. Handed in his walking papers. Fizzle…poof. Gone.

Brilliant.

Unfortunately, I do not have fake (but accurate!) documents to back this claim up. I just have common sense, a psychological history, and the ability to see Naked Emperors. The man is dead – just possibly captured; he has been for years.

Now, do I fault President Bush for not announcing this? I do not. For the President to not disclose something so beneficial to himself, politically, must mean that there is a reason of great magnitude behind the official silence. Are we, the American People, entitled to know what this secret is?

We are not.

We are not for the same reason we were not entitled to know that allied cryptographers won WWII by breaking the Japanese and German codes and having the good sense to shut up about it. But don’t dare breathe such sentiments to the current editors of The New York Times. Had those people been running the paper in 1943, tomorrows headline would have read:

AMERICAN AND BRITISH CRYPTOGRAPHERS BREAK JAP AND NAZI WAR CODES – ALL FUTURE ENEMY MOVEMENTS NOW KNOWN WITH CERTAINTY BY ALLIED HIGH COMMAND.

I suspect that if I live another ten years, I’ll be sitting watching the History Channel some night in my pajamas and all will be revealed to me. Until then, I’m happy not to know. I know some people have a hard time with that. Go to hell. This is serious business. Not everything is about you.

Has President Bush deterred bin Laden from repeating his attack on the US? I don’t honestly see what Osama can do these days, what with him being in several thousand crispy pieces and all.

One nice thing about those hyperbaric bombs, developed by that Vietnamese immigrant who fled to the US after certain people’s ideological heroes overran her country and likely killed most of her extended family: they make a small boom, release some nastiness, and then make a much louder boom.

I hope that son of a bitch knew what the sound of that first little boom meant.

Cyber Wolf 10-07-2004 06:31 AM

The man's opinion in that clip does make sense, I'll give him that. Also, it makes a great set-up for Bush to make a 'surprise' announcement of the capture/death of Bin Laden a shortly before the election. That alone would more or less pull the rug out from under Kerry's "Bush has forgotten about Bin Laden, the guy we ORIGINALLY set out to get." stance that he made such a strong point on during the first debate.

Happy Monkey 10-07-2004 06:56 AM

Quote:

Now, do I fault President Bush for not announcing this? I do not. For the President to not disclose something so beneficial to himself, politically, must mean that there is a reason of great magnitude behind the official silence. Are we, the American People, entitled to know what this secret is?

We are not.
As long as said secret was not "put it off until the end of October".

Undertoad 10-07-2004 07:23 AM

I agree. If it's strategically important not to announce last year, it's strategically important not to announce next week.

hot_pastrami 10-07-2004 11:30 AM

See: http://www.octobersurprise.net/

On another note, I find Bill's comments regarding the New York Times editors to be moderately ironic... he condemns news sources who reveal strategic secrets, in an essay where he believes he himself is doing that very thing. Small moral requirements for small news sources, eh?

Undertoad 10-07-2004 12:26 PM

His post is speculation and we can speculate about it all day, but that won't make him a martyr.

xoxoxoBruce 10-07-2004 08:52 PM

His "speculation" certainly can't be dismissed out of hand. true or not he makes a good case. Thanks, UT. :thumbsup:

richlevy 10-07-2004 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
His "speculation" certainly can't be dismissed out of hand. true or not he makes a good case. Thanks, UT. :thumbsup:

Of course if it's true, than the price of the deception is our tying up scarce military resources in a country that has not been stablized. Operation Mountain Storm has been simultaneously trying to find Bin Laden and other top leaders as well as restore order, with an emphasis on the hunt for Bin Laden. Having only 13,000 coalition troops for the whole country, any manpower being diverted for a snipe hunt would be costly.

russotto 10-08-2004 02:18 PM

Where's the body?
 
People have claimed bin Laden dead or captured with as good reasoning times before, followed by evidence (tapes) surfacing that he wasn't. I won't believe he's dead until either they find the body, or W. swears on a stack of bibles that he's not.

xoxoxoBruce 10-08-2004 07:02 PM

Yes but you could send in dedicated snipe hunters. :)

Bullitt 10-09-2004 12:12 AM

Found out an interesting little theory yesterday in my Non-Western History class here at good ol OU.. Apparantly one well known middle eastern scholar is pointing to the current translation of the Koran into Islamic as flawed and that martyrs WON'T be getting their 79 or whatever virgin.. instead, they might get 79 kinds of fruit and other highly desireable foods. Apparantly, the language that the Koran was origionally written in said differently than the Islamic version they got now. The guy backs it up by showing that in descriptions of hell, the Koran goes into great detail as to what "hellish" foods you will have to eat and he cites a lack of the same kinds of food descriptions in the Islamic version as a sign of a mistranslation from fruit to virgins.
I'll get a bit more info for ya'll in this monday when we have class again.

wolf 10-09-2004 12:51 AM

worldnetdaily.com seems to think he's in Iran.

Griff 10-09-2004 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad
... all full of WoTy goodness.

Okay color me out of touch, what is Wo Ty?

Undertoad 10-09-2004 02:01 PM

War on Terror-y

Griff 10-09-2004 02:04 PM

Aaaah Baaaaach


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