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Griff 09-02-2004 07:45 AM

Republican Rantings
 
Anybody watch the freak show last night? My Clear Channel affiliate was playing cuts that didn't seem focused at getting the undecided voter. Interestingly, NPR was playing the same cuts with, I suppose, the intent of showing how insane these guys are. Of course NPR cranked out a right wing anti-Iran diatribe a couple days ago so maybe they're just embracing the inevitable.

Undertoad 09-02-2004 07:59 AM

I watched a little. Zell Miller was on fire but, to me, unconvincing. Cheney was flat.

Guliani has been the best so far. His conversational style was brilliant

Happy Monkey 09-02-2004 08:24 AM

Apparently Zell wanted to challenge Chris Matthews to a duel later that night.

seriously.

vsp 09-02-2004 08:37 AM

Miller was about thirty seconds away from an aneurysm on Hardball.

Last night, the Pubbie message morphed from "9/11: Never Forget" to "9/11: FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE." If America buys into that, well, it deserves what it gets.

Griff 09-02-2004 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vsp
If America buys into that, well, it deserves what it gets.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
H. L. Mencken

Cyber Wolf 09-02-2004 08:54 AM

Didn't watch (no TV) but from what I get from newspaper, radio and co-workers, there wasn't much meat to anyone's speech. I didn't really expect as much... the whole convention is little more than a Republican Pep Rally. Same thing for the DNC too, little more than a Pep Rally to charge up the loyalists in hopes of getting some of that enthusiasm to spread to the people who don't vote for animals.

Undertoad 09-02-2004 09:26 AM

Well they are making the various arguments for their sides too.

I gotta say I am unmoved by the notion that Kerry voted against weapons systems during a time when it seemed like military overextension was a big American problem. What I would like to know is in what ways 9/11 changed that, if any.

Also, I am unmoved by the notion that Kerry is the most liberal Senator or one of the most liberal Senators. He was representing the most liberal state so in one sense he was doing what he was elected to do. And from what I've seen, a lot of those rankings are bizarrely constructed and very selective about various votes.

The flip-flop thing - well there's no denying that the guy is a Clintonesque politician who sometimes bases his policy on the shifting winds of the day. You could say this means he lacks the resolve of true leadership; on the other hand this means he will roughly mirror the population's desires, which is not such a terrible thing, especially if the complaint is that he's actually too liberal.

Also, I think being in the Senate means that, if you're savvy enough, you take different positions on things in order to score political points.

Griff 09-02-2004 10:21 AM

he he

You're right, if Kerry goes all Clinton on us chasing polls that wouldn't be the worst thing. At least there would be public discourse.

Happy Monkey 09-02-2004 10:26 AM

Clarifications on talking points:

The "first and fourth most liberal senator" statistic only counts last year, while both Edwards and Kerry were campaigning, and only voted on the bills that were close and/or especially important. Over their careers, both are much closer to the center of the party, politically.

The flip-flop accusation is based on the fact that Kerry admits that his views are more complicated than a sound byte. When people complain that Kerry "voted for it before [he] voted against it", they seldom mention that the Republicans voted against it before they voted for it, or that Bush threatened to veto it before he signed it. There were two versions of the same bill - Kerry supported the first, the Republicans supported the second.

Griff 09-02-2004 11:11 AM

meanwhile outside
 
With 1,191 arrests from convention-related protests on Tuesday, Manhattan broke the record for the most arrests in one borough in one day, according to the Office of Court Administration.

The unprecedented number of arrests Tuesday brought to 1,763 the total number of convention-related arrests from last Friday to 3:30 p.m. yesterday, said court spokesman David Bookstaver.

Elspode 09-02-2004 12:24 PM

I think the Republicans' motto this year might as well be "Trade Your Freedom for Security...This is NOT a Request."

Griff 09-02-2004 12:29 PM

Of course the Dems kept their protestors in a git mo style cage...

vsp 09-02-2004 01:04 PM

Revised Motto: If you don't vote for Bush, Evil Brown People will kill you.

Where's General Sherman when we need him?

russotto 09-02-2004 01:28 PM

Reason magazine this month notes that Kerry's Senate record on civil liberties is actually worse than John Ashcroft's

lookout123 09-02-2004 01:38 PM

Electoral vote prediction
 
HM has posted this link before, but i hadn't looked at it in awhile. Interesting to see what is happening in the polls during the convention. if you follow the link back, you will see bush actually lost a few this week.

electoral vote count


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