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Lady Sidhe 01-31-2004 09:28 PM

Drugs...for some of them, I just don't get it....
 
This is in reference to a post Wolf made, where she said that she remembered when crack was new. I replied, and thought it would make an interesting thread all by itself. So here's the reply, and anyone who has a comment can run with it.




Wolf: "...I remember when crack was new..."


Sidhe:
"Yeah, me too... I personally don't understand why people would want to do something that makes them speed...doesn't cocaine speed you up, among other things?

I mean, I can understand weed, it relaxes you and makes you all giggly...I can understand acid, it gives you interesting perspectives; but things like cocaine/crack, speed, and meth that make you bounce off walls, or heroin, which I'm told makes you sick as a dog the first time you do it, and downs you so much that you're almost unconscious....and ALL of them can kill you...why risk it? I just don't get it..."


Sidhe

elSicomoro 01-31-2004 09:42 PM

People are looking to feel good, have low self-esteem, are looking to escape their problems, etc.

Lady Sidhe 01-31-2004 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore
People are looking to feel good, have low self-esteem, are looking to escape their problems, etc.
I can understand looking to feel good or escape problems, I guess...heroin will definitely make you forget your problems, along with your name, I'm sure...but how does speeding make you feel good? I mean, I can drink coffee all day, and go straight to bed, but if I take caffiene pills, I get nauseated, my hair's crawling, my heart's beating a mile a minute, and I'm bouncing off walls...ick. I can't imagine WANTING to feel that way all the time. And if you're unconscious (heroin), how can you feel GOOD? You can't feel anything.

I guess I'm trying apply logical reasoning to something that doesn't result from logical reasoning, and I know that doesn't work. I just really REALLY don't get why people will do something they know could KILL them. I mean, why do heroin when you can smoke a joint? :confused:

As far as "drugs" are concerned (and I include caffiene, nicotine, and alcohol in that category). I think some that are legal shouldn't be, and some that aren't should be, but that's another thread....

Sidhe

JeepNGeorge 02-01-2004 03:06 AM

mmmmmm Meth. When you absolutly, positivly, have to stay up all night and remove an engine from a car, wax the kitchen floor, and mow the lawn at 3 am (which will somehow get the law called on you (and I thought we were in a free country) :confused: )

Comparing meth and coffee is like comparing cigarettes and weed. It just feels good to have the rush meth brings. Sure the crawling spiders, thinking your roommate is an undercover cop, and crawling on your hands and knees for hours cause you just know you dropped a big rock down there doesn't sound like fun at first, but you learn to deal with it. If you think acid brings you interesting perspectives, try being strung out for a few days and then drop a couple of hits. Hee-Haw. Just being strung out and not having any sleep for 3 days will bring the delusions on in a hurry. I personally wanted to push the envelope and see how 'dinged-out' I could become and still function in society. I laughed my ass off at the television for an unkown length of time (somewhere between 30 mins and 3 hours) before I realized it was off and I was seeing the reflections off the black screen. And you thought pot made you giggly! It's all a matter of extremes I guess.

Heroin I only tried once and didn't realize until after what it was. Gotta love your practical joking friends!!! It is so difficult to describe, but I highly recommend (again) William S Burroughs books for further study. I did stare at my shoe for about 8 hours and had the best time of my life though.

be-bop 02-01-2004 06:41 PM

Drugs for some of them I just don't get it..
 
Taking drugs I think is an age thing,well it was in my case.Started in the 70's as a teenager through to my 20's then had enough and changed direction "Must have grown up",Or got sick of living in a Cheech and Chong.Freak Bros movie.
I was very lucky,lots of people I knew didn't last the course but when you are young you think you are invincible.
Where I live it went from Hippie shit to the Trainspotting generation so fast and before anyone knew what the fuck happened Edinburgh was the Aids capital of Europe,(great government decision that one, politicians logic)make hypo's ,needles etc not available to be bought at chemists etc and it will stop people using..Doh won't the share them or steal them from hospital sharps bins?.
Whether we want to admit it or not drugs are here to stay so take it out of the criminal's control and market and tax it like booze,tobacco.
The money most governments spend trying to control the cartels could be better used in other areas.
Most people grow out of doing drugs how many politicians do you know that inhaled.......

Troubleshooter 02-01-2004 09:53 PM

Re: Drugs for some of them I just don't get it..
 
Quote:

Originally posted by be-bop
The money most governments spend trying to control the cartels could be better used in other areas.
Most people grow out of doing drugs how many politicians do you know that inhaled.......

A statistic that was quoted to me by an instructor of mine stated that the numbers in Amsterdam and in the US, for weed, are very nearly the same in the 16 to 25 bracket.

Here in America it's "Zero Tolerance," but in Holland it's called "Harm Reduction," I believe.

They normalize weed in its various forms and strictly control it, but they highly stigmatize the harsher drugs. The effects of the hard drugs are significantly reduced.

Lady Sidhe 02-01-2004 10:24 PM

Re: Re: Drugs for some of them I just don't get it..
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Troubleshooter


A statistic that was quoted to me by an instructor of mine stated that the numbers in Amsterdam and in the US, for weed, are very nearly the same in the 16 to 25 bracket.

Here in America it's "Zero Tolerance," but in Holland it's called "Harm Reduction," I believe.

They normalize weed in its various forms and strictly control it, but they highly stigmatize the harsher drugs. The effects of the hard drugs are significantly reduced.


Sure...if you know you're going to get a ten-year sentence whether you sell grass or heroin, and heroin brings in more money, you figure you'll take your chance with the heroin. Same thing with using. If you know being in posession of an ounce of weed will net you the same time as being in posession of an ounce of coke, why not try the coke?

It's like in Europe, where alcohol is an everyday thing. People drink it from the time they're children, so it's no big deal for them. Here, where you can't drink until you're 21, people turn legal and lose their minds, because they can finally do something that was "forbidden" for 21 years. They don't have experience with it, it's a new privilege, and they don't know how to handle it, so they go overboard.

Sidhe
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