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xoxoxoBruce 06-13-2015 07:17 PM

Savages
 
In 1886 General miles rounded up the Chiricahua Apaches and shipped them off to jail at Fort Marion, Florida.
But what to do with the savage children? Ship them to the Carlisle, PA, Indian school for civilizing.

http://cellar.org/2015/apache1.jpg

A hundred or so died of civilized diseases, and got a civilized burial in Carlisle.
But the survivors got civilized and you can see how much happier they are.

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busterb 06-13-2015 07:34 PM

Yep. The gooberment was at work back then.

sexobon 06-13-2015 08:55 PM

Devastating, only one zipperhead left.

Lamplighter 06-13-2015 10:03 PM

The real savage is named right after the date in the OP.

Happy Monkey 06-13-2015 11:08 PM

There are still lawsuits going on in Canada when they did the same thing. The final school closed in 1984.

edit: Though this source says they lasted into the '90s.

Sundae 06-13-2015 11:50 PM

The same happened all over the world with indigenous people. In England's memory it was Maori (New Zealand) and Aboriginal (Australian) children who needed to be taken into good, clean, white houses to be all civilised up and learn how not to respect the land.

Not that there was a colour-bar on deciding what children had to have done to them. Even the working poor could have their children shipped off for an unasked for jaunt to Australia/ NZ/ Canada/ South Africa (the so called "Home Children").

Facing a horrendously long sea voyage, to be greeted by strangers and kiddie-fiddlers and worked half to death. No, of course that wasn't the case for every little emigree, but talk about your disposable culture - we had plenty of kids to give away back then. A righteous god in a novel would have been all smitey and said we didn't deserve any more until we learned their value.

xoxoxoBruce 06-14-2015 12:14 AM

In todays sensibilities it seems barbaric, but to be fair, what were they to do with these kids? The entire band of Chiricahua Apaches were imprisoned in Florida, should they lock up the kids too? I'm sure the Carlisle School sounded like a God send to the people who had to find a solution.

Plus it had been a long bloody struggle between the Indians and Settlers, and this marked the end. But much like the Israelis and Palestinians the butt hurt was deep. I'm sure the do gooders thought civilizing these kids would prevent future problems for the Indians and for themselves. I think it's remarkable the whole band wasn't exterminated.

Gravdigr 06-14-2015 01:13 PM

Paraphrasing 'Blazing Saddles':

Watch that "savages" shit, paleface.

Gravdigr 06-14-2015 01:21 PM

Not entirely sure of Bruce's tone for this whole post. I'm not sure if it's intended to be humor (I hope it is), but, to reduce what white people did to Native Americans to "butthurt" is an insensitivity of historical proportions.

xoxoxoBruce 06-14-2015 02:15 PM

You seem to forget the Indians did some pretty horrific things themselves, even to each other, but after 300 years they were out-numbered, out-scienced, and out-gunned, in the end. Had it been the other way around, the men/old women would have been killed, and the young women/children taken as slaves.

Butt hurt is not what was done by the Indians/Settlers/Israelis/Palestinians, it's the resulting animosity/resentment/hate, generations later.

Lamplighter 06-15-2015 01:11 PM

There is an old saying along the lines of:
"Until the lions learn to write, history will be written by the hunters."

There is a lot of similarities between the "Indian Wars" and current events....

savages vs defenders
massacre vs battle
prisoners of war vs reservation
ISSA vs Mujahideen
Quantanamo vs Fort Sill

archeology vs grave robbing

This video is the lion's POV...


Just as the Civil Rights Laws were one good thing done by Richard Nixon,
signing the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act
was one good thing done by George W. Bush.

xoxoxoBruce 06-15-2015 02:04 PM

So call, or go online today, to pledge your $19 a month, just 63 cents a day...

Lamplighter 06-15-2015 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 931157)
So call, or go online today, to pledge your $19 a month, just 63 cents a day...

???

Where does that come from ?

xoxoxoBruce 06-15-2015 06:08 PM

From the end of every TV commercial for abused animals, wounded warriors, starving third word children, et al.

BigV 06-15-2015 09:27 PM

Paraphrasing "History of the World, Part 1"

"It's good to be the king."

And by king, I mean the White Man.



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