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CaliforniaMama 07-15-2012 11:06 AM

July 15, 2012 - Circumsized Baby
 
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When a girl is taken — usually by her mother — to a free circumcision event held each spring in Bandung, Indonesia, she is handed over to a small group of women who, swiftly and yet with apparent affection, cut off a small piece of her genitals.
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Circumcisions take place in a prayer center or an emptied-out elementary-school classroom where desks are pushed together and covered with sheets and a pillow to serve as makeshift beds.
It takes several minutes to remove a small amount of skin or the clitoral hood, with very little blood. Sometimes, the citoris itself is removed, but that is not the common procedure. Afterward, she is given a small gift of fruit or clothing, and a cup of milk. In 2003, a study was done in Indonesia, showing that 96% of daughters were circumcised.

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Laura Guarenti, an obstetrician and WHO’s medical officer for child and maternal health in Jakarta, says, “The fact is there is absolutely no medical value in circumcising girls.”
From the New York Times

Ibby 07-15-2012 03:05 PM

Child abuse.

footfootfoot 07-15-2012 04:00 PM

I thought it said customized baby. I expected gold rimmed wheels and or a fur fedora.

Gravdigr 07-15-2012 05:13 PM

Day ain't no way dat baby's eyes don't be 'shopped.

Aliantha 07-15-2012 07:25 PM

How wide do you think your eyes would be if someone held you down and another person cut a perfectly good piece of your flesh off your body?

ZenGum 07-16-2012 06:44 AM

I think the eyes are real.

This procedure, pointless and stupid thought it may be, is small change compared to the radical "female circumcisions" practiced in some parts of Africa. These range from complete clitorectomy to infibulation, where the labia are cut off and the vagina sewn shut. On the wedding night, the groom uses a knife to gain access.

W.
T.
F????

The most amazing thing, to me, is that the social pressure to maintain this, and the actual operation, is mostly done by women.

I'm against that.

DanaC 07-16-2012 07:07 AM

Not just women, Zen. In the school playgrounds, little girls who haven't had that done to them are teased and called dirty by those who have.

Sundae 07-16-2012 10:58 AM

And maybe the women want the little girls to be just like Mummy.
In the way non-religious men want their sons to look just like Daddy, so have them circumcised too.

I'm glad my niece and partner believe that God didn't put that extra piece of skin there just to keep doctors employed. They'll keep their foreskins unless there is a medical necessity to have them removed. Factory settings all the way in this family.

Just last month in London a Ghanaian boy bled to death following his circumcision by a Rabbi. He told the worried mother to rub Vaseline on the wound.

Clodfobble 07-16-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum
The most amazing thing, to me, is that the social pressure to maintain this, and the actual operation, is mostly done by women.

I'm against that.

In this country, most male circumcisions are performed by male doctors, and most women say they leave the decision on whether to circumcise their sons up to their husbands.

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Originally Posted by DanaC
In the school playgrounds, little girls who haven't had that done to them are teased and called dirty by those who have.

As young as playgrounds, no. But yes, in this country there is definitely an association with uncircumcised penises being unclean, among teenage and 20-something girls.


I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying the whole mindset is not as foreign as you might believe.

Aliantha 07-16-2012 06:30 PM

I don't think it's a very big deal over here. None of my boys are circumcised, and my daughter definitely wont be. I've never heard of anyone giving the boys a hard time cause they have all of their penis intact. I only know of one of my cousins who's had her sons circumcised and it's been her decision to do so because she just 'feels that it's cleaner'. I've raised my objections to the practice with her, but in the end, it's not illegal, and she has it done in the hospital etc, so the risk is pretty minimal.

My older boys have had more issues surrounding racism through their school life, than what their penis looks like.

DanaC 07-16-2012 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 820503)

As young as playgrounds, no. But yes, in this country there is definitely an association with uncircumcised penises being unclean, among teenage and 20-something girls.

I dont think there's any social pressure to circumcise males here.

classicman 07-16-2012 09:13 PM

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My older boys have had more issues surrounding racism through their school life, than what their penis looks like.
One wold hope so, they do wear clothes to school down there, right?

Wombat 07-16-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibby (Post 820310)
Child abuse.

Yes.

Aliantha 07-16-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 820519)
One wold hope so, they do wear clothes to school down there, right?

Yeah, but they have showers after footy and stuff. They don't do that with their clothes on, and being boys, they usually don't bother shutting the door.

I'm pretty sure most teenage boys are pretty happy to get their dangly bits out as much as possible anyway aren't they?

classicman 07-16-2012 10:15 PM

Not that I'm aware of, nor that I really have any idea. I grew up in a different generation.
Then again, maybe it was just me. :right:


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