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xoxoxoBruce 10-22-2010 08:57 AM

90% of Medical Research Is Wrong
 
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Are 90% of all medical studies wrong — including nearly half of those claimed to be the most reliable? That's the provocative claim made by researcher John Ioannidis, profiled in this month's issue of The Atlantic.
Well that's a pretty strong accusation.

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Ioannidis was putting his contentions to the test not against run-of-the-mill research, or even merely well-accepted research, but against the absolute tip of the research pyramid. Of the 49 articles, 45 claimed to have uncovered effective interventions. Thirty-four of these claims had been retested, and 14 of these, or 41 percent, had been convincingly shown to be wrong or significantly exaggerated. If between a third and a half of the most acclaimed research in medicine was proving untrustworthy, the scope and impact of the problem were undeniable. That article was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
I wonder if this applies to other areas beside medicine?

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monster 10-22-2010 08:46 PM

I think it's 85% in other areas.

Flint 10-22-2010 09:58 PM

I work in healthcare, but God help us, it's a ƒucking fiasco that needs to be scrapped from the ground up in this country. If we devoted one one-thousandth of the funds gobbled up by this booming industry toward incentivizing people to eat healthy and get some exercise, we could give away free healthcare and nobody would need it. All we would have to do is stitch up a few car crash victims here and there.

Shawnee123 10-23-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 689889)
I work in healthcare, but God help us, it's a ƒucking fiasco that needs to be scrapped from the ground up in this country. If we devoted one one-thousandth of the funds gobbled up by this booming industry toward incentivizing people to eat healthy and get some exercise, we could give away free healthcare and nobody would need it. All we would have to do is stitch up a few car crash victims here and there.

I loved this post!

Flint 10-23-2010 12:03 PM

That's an unfiltered brain dump right there...it just popped out.

Clodfobble 10-23-2010 02:44 PM

I don't know if this is what you meant by "incentivizing," but in my fantasy government, all that money would be specifically poured into subsidizing organic fruits and vegetables--excluding white potatoes, corn and soy--to the point that they were by far the cheapest way to feed a family. And I'd luxury tax the shit out of processed/convenience foods. It'd be all, "Sorry kids, Dad got laid off at the plant, so it's gonna be sweet potatoes, bell peppers, and pineapples for awhile until we get back on our feet. Pass the kale."

Undertoad 10-23-2010 02:46 PM

In other news, Presidential candidate Clodfobble placed 7th in the Iowa caucus, renowned for its corn farmers, and is now considered a long shot. :(

Clodfobble 10-23-2010 04:04 PM

Fuck 'em. This is my fantasy land--I'll be paying them to plow up their corn fields and plant other foods, just like they used to before the government paid them to plow everything up and plant corn.

Pico and ME 10-23-2010 04:53 PM

And then when food companies start making really tasty and addicting snacks from those healthier veggies, the tide will totally change.

Clodfobble 10-23-2010 05:45 PM

That's when the executions start.

TheMercenary 10-26-2010 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 689889)
I work in healthcare, but God help us, it's a ƒucking fiasco that needs to be scrapped from the ground up in this country. If we devoted one one-thousandth of the funds gobbled up by this booming industry toward incentivizing people to eat healthy and get some exercise, we could give away free healthcare and nobody would need it. All we would have to do is stitch up a few car crash victims here and there.

I agree, but we would have to have laws to force people to do what we want them to do to be healthier, oh wait, we are already starting to do that.:p:

Flint 10-26-2010 11:11 AM

But you can't force people to go against their instincts; you have to create a set of conditions where their instincts produce the desired results.

TheMercenary 10-26-2010 12:23 PM

As far as I can tell, that has not worked, ever, ever, ever.....look at the obesity, smokers, alcoholics, drug abusers, etc. Take your pick of chronic health conditions related to personal choice......

monster 10-26-2010 01:16 PM

Lung cancer seems to be reducing....

http://www.cancer.gov/aboutnci/servi...shots/lung.pdf

Clodfobble 10-26-2010 05:16 PM

Austin enacted a city-wide smoking ban a couple of years ago. It was a huge brouhaha at the time, and everyone bitched and bitched about personal liberties, and how the bars were gonna lose business, etc. etc... Except it turned out that downtown nightlife business actually went up, and all but the most hardcore of nicotine addicts used it as an excuse to quit smoking. People will quit their bad habits, but only if you make it truly inconvenient/expensive enough.


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