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Pete Zicato 02-10-2010 01:34 PM

New 9/11 pictures from the air
 
Taken from a police helicopter. Really shows the scale of the destruction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8508817.stm

TheMercenary 02-10-2010 01:55 PM

Amazing. Chilling. How quickly people forget.

classicman 02-10-2010 01:56 PM

They haven't forgotten. But remember that its still Bush's fault.

TheMercenary 02-10-2010 02:01 PM

:lol:

Griff 02-10-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 633774)
Amazing. Chilling. How quickly people forget.

Nonsense. Just because people disagree with the fed gov reaction doesn't mean they forget. Some folks, like me, simply draw completely different lessons from the event than you did.

TheMercenary 02-10-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 633832)
Nonsense. Just because people disagree with the fed gov reaction doesn't mean they forget. Some folks, like me, simply draw completely different lessons from the event than you did.

What lessons do you think I drew from the event.

Pete Zicato 02-10-2010 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 633833)
What lessons do you think I drew from the event.

Ah. We're back to guessing games.

All right. I'll play your little game. What lesson(s) did you draw from the event?

Griff 02-10-2010 05:15 PM

Believing in creative destruction, you supported an attempted world changing military response in an uninvolved country instead of a more appropriate policing first, military second response to Al Queda. This stems from your world-view of America as an innocent babe-in-the-woods rather than a meddler overseas. I saw a squandered opportunity to turn tragedy into moral authority and a failing commitment to rule of law. Obama is trying to take the Justice Dept route now but it is late in the game.

TheMercenary 02-10-2010 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 633840)
Believing in creative destruction, you supported an attempted world changing military response in an uninvolved country instead of a more appropriate policing first, military second response to Al Queda.

False. You have no proof that I supported the military response, I mean other than I was doing a my job as a senior military officer at the time.

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This stems from your world-view of America as an innocent babe-in-the-woods rather than a meddler overseas.
False, I have no such view.

Quote:

I saw a squandered opportunity to turn tragedy into moral authority and a failing commitment to rule of law.
I would agree in part.

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Obama is trying to take the Justice Dept route now but it is late in the game.
I guess that depends on whether you believe it was a police action or a military operation. I support that the later was in force.

TheMercenary 02-10-2010 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 633835)
What lesson(s) did you draw from the event?

I am really more interested in what you think I believe. It is much easier to dispell the assumptions. I have made it evident on this forum and many others that I felt that the invasion into Iraq was an error of a huge scale.

xoxoxoBruce 02-10-2010 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 633899)
False. You have no proof that I supported the military response, I mean other than I was doing a my job as a senior military officer at the time.

I think you did, and still do, because anything less would devalue the sacrifice of friends who died, not defending the USA, but in a Neocon war.

TheMercenary 02-10-2010 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 633906)
I think you did, and still do, because anything less would devalue the sacrifice of friends who died, not defending the USA, but in a Neocon war.

I kept the military job and the politics separate. Most do. You do what you have to do and deal with the politics when you retire. I never considered it a "Neocon War". Most are filled with collosal errors, this one is no different. It was a job and we did it.

TheMercenary 02-10-2010 11:46 PM

One Day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pehz98Vygs

Griff 02-11-2010 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 633900)
I am really more interested in what you think I believe. It is much easier to dispell the assumptions. I have made it evident on this forum and many others that I felt that the invasion into Iraq was an error of a huge scale.

Here we go again, this time I'll apply the brakes early. Your ability to not stand for anything is a charming internet argument strategy.

TheMercenary 02-11-2010 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 633986)
Here we go again, this time I'll apply the brakes early. Your ability to not stand for anything is a charming internet argument strategy.

I stand for lots of things. I just asked. But you can't box me into who you think I am or what I believe. So I asked out of curiosity so I could set the record straight. Just like I did with you. It is not a personal attack, just a discussion about how you think I think, which has so far been off the mark. Peace.


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