6/19/2002: Proud murderer
http://cellar.org/2002/palestinian256.jpg
One of the blogs I visit regularly is Little Green Footballs, and from their comments section here comes this photo that I hadn't seen before (it predates IotD). It's from a Palestinian lynching of two Israelis, in Ramallah, in October 2000. Quote:
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People are immensely capable of amazing feats of cruelty and rationalization.
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I remember the day that this happened. October 12, 2000. The picture was on MSNBC's site that day and still remains in their "conflict perspective" section. It's pretty awful that some people can take joy in the death of others.
Here's another one that I like. http://www.metastudios.com/images/020617mideast_02.jpg This is of a mother celebrating with her son. He's about to go on a suicide mission - an attack on some Israeli soldiers that are guarding a settlement. They both know that he's going to die, but they're rejoicing in the likelihood that he'll be able to take out a soldier or two before they get him. Indeed, he and another suicide gunman managed to kill two Israeli soldiers before they were shot dead. Now... since she had knowledge of the crime that was going to be committed and did nothing to stop it, should Israel or the Palestinian Authority lock her up? I say "yes". |
just a question are the people behind the guy in the window the hanging israelis? And are the Israelies civillins....good god....they all need to be shot! the extremists.
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Re: 6/19/2002: Proud murderer
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Note that I'm just using "you" for impact, I'm including myself as well. Fortunately, my beliefs are not being questioned at gunpoint, so I don't feel any particular need for violence. |
Great Pic. Okay, horrible pic.
add this little tidbit to the fray. i recall some postings the other day about flechettes and how horrible they were and all that. well, once again horror is easily magnified by our friends the palestinians. seems they like to add rat poison to the nails and rust mix, just to make sure those that are only slightly injured won't be able to make a recovery. oh, and throw in an STD just to liven things up. http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/2002/06/061802.html |
not that it makes it right, but...
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I do agree that the joy in the woman's face in sending her son off to die is disturbing. |
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(Sorry...the psychology major came out in me.) |
jag, how is it that you wrote all that and still said absolutely <b>nothing</b> about what we're talking about?
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Try the lament at the top of this thread:
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Thanks syc, i'd forgotten the name of it and i was 10 years off, crap. My papers on it have been lost in piles of revision notes. Scred, the guy was HIV positive, not the bomb, and the rat poisen was aparantly ineffective, not to mention the fact that both sides are using weapons to maxamise human casualties, whats your point? |
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"Things have changed in the last 50 years, hate to break it to you." :-) Seriously, though, it would be interesting indeed to see these experiments repeated today...I bet you wouldn't get the 65% response of the 1961 experiment. It would especially be interesting to repeat them in different cultures. I doubt you'd get the same result in , say, Iraq or China, that you'd get in Switzerland. Oh, and just for accuracy's sake; I've read many accounts of these experiments, but never heard anyone say the subjects thought the apparent subject were killed. I think you're overboard on that one. |
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The experiment was repeated in several countries over the course of 25 years in Europe, South Africa, and Australia. That percentage hit 85% in Germany. I have to disagree with you on the response rate though...I might have agreed with you pre-9/11, but I think today in the US, you could easily hit that 65% marker. I think the heart of that experiment is the "responsibility" factor. The experimenter took responsibility for the actions of the "teacher," thereby reducing the dissonance that one might feel in giving someone a 450 volt jolt. It's practically carte blanche. Given that we still seem to have a large section of our society that doesn't like to take the blame for their actions, it's a perfect fit. Quote:
Although, the reaction of one Fred Prozi (a "teacher" in one of the experiments) could lend credibility to Jag's statement. |
Thanks for saving my breath syc - human nature doesn't really change. politics do.
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