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piercehawkeye45 11-21-2007 11:55 AM

New Method Equalizes Stem Cell Debate
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/21/wa...hp&oref=slogin

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The discovery that skin cells can be reprogrammed to mimic embryonic stem cells is likely to transform the sticky political debate over the science, a debate that has pitted Mr. Bush against two-thirds of the American public including prominent Republicans like Nancy Reagan and has even helped decide some elections.
This is a big step in terms of science and health. Good thing it happened no matter who takes or deserves credit for it.

glatt 11-21-2007 12:04 PM

I'll take the credit for it. It was my idea. Check the archives. I'd point out the post, but I can't be bothered to look it up right now.

LJ 11-21-2007 12:12 PM

here it is.

glatt 11-21-2007 12:25 PM

I'm not clicking on "disgusting.jpg."

Edit: Nice try, though!

ZenGum 11-21-2007 12:29 PM

They're not the researchers. They're the donors.

LJ 11-21-2007 12:33 PM

damn you glatt....

...damn you to hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

glatt 11-21-2007 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LJ (Post 409301)
damn you glatt....

...damn you to hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Muh hah hah ha!


But in all seriousness, this is promising news for stem cell research. I, for one, am pleased that this break though occurred. Go science!

Radar 11-21-2007 04:21 PM

I don't like any stem cells unless a fetus dies to provide them.

Sundae 11-21-2007 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LJ (Post 409294)
here it is.

Hey that's me on the far right!

LJ 11-21-2007 04:55 PM

PISH POSH

DanaC 11-21-2007 05:11 PM

Fuck off Sundae, you're in a different league to that bird.

Aliantha 11-22-2007 07:15 AM

I think cellar dwellars should consider that stem cell research could help one of our own members if it comes down to the crunch.

Then think about whether or not it's immoral or any of that other drivel.

I think this new developement is great, but then, I had no problem with the old method either.

queequeger 11-22-2007 08:55 AM

I don't know if this really "equalizes the debate," either. It's still beyond stupid to argue that, "God hates abortion, so instead of using this already aborted fetus to do research, let's throw it away. Because throwing it away is less of an abomination than studying it."

Do people think women have abortions so they can help science?? The fact is, even if we can get skin cells to do the same thing, there's absolutely no harm in studying the fetuses as well. It should also be pointed out that just because you can get a skin cell to mimic a fetal stem cell, it does not mean that it will behave in exactly the same way in every situation.

Animal organs can be studied to learn more about our organs, but when it comes right down to it, they're only so close. This is like the church saying posthumous dissection is evil, people should study animals.

queequeger 11-22-2007 09:02 AM

Oh em eff gee, I just read that article. GW is taking credit for scientific discovery, now!?

:headshake:

ZenGum 11-22-2007 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by queequeger (Post 409496)
I don't know if this really "equalizes the debate," either. It's still beyond stupid to argue that, "God hates abortion, so instead of using this already aborted fetus to do research, let's throw it away. Because throwing it away is less of an abomination than studying it."

Do people think women have abortions so they can help science?? The fact is, even if we can get skin cells to do the same thing, there's absolutely no harm in studying the fetuses as well. It should also be pointed out that just because you can get a skin cell to mimic a fetal stem cell, it does not mean that it will behave in exactly the same way in every situation.

Animal organs can be studied to learn more about our organs, but when it comes right down to it, they're only so close. This is like the church saying posthumous dissection is evil, people should study animals.

IIRC the source of fetal stem cells is not abortion, but unused zygotes left over from in-vitro fertilization programs.
You're right, though, that it is not yet certain that these skin stem cells will behave exactly like fetal stem cells. More research is needed.


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