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rkzenrage 08-07-2007 01:58 PM

Chimps on treadmills offer evolution insight
 
Chimps on treadmills offer evolution insight

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Study: Human ancestors began walking on two legs because it used less energy

Study involved chimpanzees and humans walking on treadmills

The chimps were taught to walk on the treadmill with 2 legs and on 4 legs

Chimpanzees are the closest genetic cousins to people

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Chimpanzees scampering on a treadmill have provided support for the notion that ancient human ancestors began walking on two legs because it used less energy than quadrupedal knuckle-walking, scientists said.
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"This paper provides strong support for the fact that energy savings played a role in the evolution of bipedalism," one of the scientists, University of Arizona anthropologist David Raichlen, said in a telephone interview.

xoxoxoBruce 08-07-2007 05:46 PM

Plus upright, they can see danger much further away. Not being eaten provides impetus to continue the habit.

piercehawkeye45 08-07-2007 08:48 PM

There are many evolutionary advantages to walking upright which would have made it favorable to walking on all fours.

First, in big open fields with tall grass it is more of an advantage to be able to see over the grass to be able to track predators. If you can see them beforehand you will be able to run away or fight back before they get close.

Second, once we were able to evolve hands we could made tools that would make hunting, eating, drinking, and surviving much more easier.

Third, it is easier to fight against predators when you have two feet and two hands. We can throw rocks or hit predators with sticks which would make them back off.

This helps the argument greatly.

freshnesschronic 08-08-2007 04:02 AM

If it saves energy, how come cheetahs are so freakin' fast? Or is all their energy totally depleted after one gazelle chase?

xoxoxoBruce 08-08-2007 05:21 AM

They are built differently. Sure they are fast but let's see them carry a case of beer.

yesman065 08-08-2007 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by freshnesschronic (Post 372704)
Or is all their energy totally depleted after one gazelle chase?

Yes, basically it is - they are constantly weighing the odds of a successful chase with energy expended. They, and their prey turned meal, are most vulnerable right afterwards. Other predators know this and attack for that very reason - the cheetah not being able to defend its capture.

rkzenrage 08-08-2007 05:33 PM

Cheetahs are not apes. I hope you were being sarcastic.
Many speculate that the change happened as we moved from the forests/jungle onto the savanna.
Or, jebus did it cause his robes got dirty.

spudcon 08-08-2007 05:52 PM

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They are built differently. Sure they are fast but let's see them carry a case of beer.
Thanks, Bruce, your posts always get to the bottom line with logic and wisdom.

xoxoxoBruce 08-08-2007 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 372940)
Cheetahs are not apes.

Well that's why God evolved humans from apes and not from cheetahs.

yesman065 08-08-2007 10:39 PM

"The cheetah is aerodynamically built for speed and can accelerate from zero to 40 mph in three strides and to full speed of 70 mph in seconds. As the cheetah runs, only one foot at a time touches the ground. There are two points, in its 20 to 25 foot (7-8 metres) stride when no feet touch the ground, as they are fully extended and then totally doubled up. Nearing full speed, the cheetah is running at about 3 strides per second. The cheetah's respiratory rate climbs from 60 to 150 breaths per minute during a high-speed chase and can run only 400 to 600 yards before it is exhausted; at this time it is extremely vulnerable to other predators, which may not only steal its prey, but attack it as well. "

tw 08-08-2007 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 372655)
There are many evolutionary advantages to walking upright which would have made it favorable to walking on all fours.

First, ... able to see over the grass
Second, ... [with free] hands we could made tools
Third, it is easier to fight against predators

Another point often made elsewhere was that man on two feet was built to travel great distances. The ability to travel great distances was essential to survival in a changing world.

yesman065 08-09-2007 07:17 AM

According to the arboreal theory - "Human ancestors evolved to upright bipedalism as an adaptation to forage for ripe fruit in the trees' peripheries."

tw 08-09-2007 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065 (Post 373247)
According to the arboreal theory - "Human ancestors evolved to upright bipedalism as an adaptation to forage for ripe fruit in the trees' peripheries."

Monkeys can perform that job easier.

Clodfobble 08-10-2007 12:08 AM

And cheaper! You think human ancestors used illegal migrant monkey labor?

xoxoxoBruce 08-10-2007 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 373556)
Monkeys can perform that job easier.

Which proves humans are just the spawn of the lazy, opportunistic, pickers of low hanging fruit.


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