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rkzenrage 07-15-2007 05:57 AM

Evolution
 
Discuss it here.
BTW, Berkley does address the Micro/Macro issue.
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Microevolution and macroevolution encompass change at very different scales, but both work through the same basic processes.
Evolution is evolution.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/ = http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib...es/uelogo3.gif

http://tolweb.org/tree/



Really good overview/timeline, as well as many links on the theory of Speciation:
Species, Speciation and the Environment
By Niles Eldredge

piercehawkeye45 07-15-2007 07:23 AM

Good links, rkzenrage.

Here is one of, if not the best evolution versus creationism database on the web. It is a huge website and covers almost every issue on evolution and the origin of life.

http://www.talkorigins.org/

Jeboduuza 07-15-2007 11:39 AM

I will read the articles, but before that I just wanted to start by asking a question.

From what I know life started with like plasma fusing with organic particles. Or something along those lines. Anyway, how does that make life?

xoxoxoBruce 07-15-2007 12:26 PM

Only God can answer that at this point.

piercehawkeye45 07-15-2007 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeboduuza (Post 364184)
From what I know life started with like plasma fusing with organic particles. Or something along those lines. Anyway, how does that make life?

From what I know, we don't exactly how life was formed but we know that proteins can be formed in the right conditions.

This could help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life

rkzenrage 07-15-2007 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 364148)
Good links, rkzenrage.

Here is one of, if not the best evolution versus creationism database on the web. It is a huge website and covers almost every issue on evolution and the origin of life.

http://www.talkorigins.org/

Thank you very much.

Happy Monkey 07-15-2007 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeboduuza (Post 364184)
From what I know life started with like plasma fusing with organic particles. Or something along those lines. Anyway, how does that make life?

The Sagan video in the original post has a good explanation. In short, the first proto-life was a self-replicating molecule. Without predators, and in a vast ocean of random organic molecules, it didn't need the complex protection of a cell. When resources got scarce, competition became a factor, and things became more complicated.

wolf 07-15-2007 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 364266)
... and things became more complicated.

God.

(I maintain my position that there is no inconsistency between a religious and scientific explanation. Once you stop seeing them as mutually exclusive opposing sides, you step back and go, "Okay, yeah, it could work that way too." The Big Bang and Evolution are just as miraculous as a carpenter's son walking on water.)

freshnesschronic 07-15-2007 11:29 PM

Life started with the egg. Then came the chicken. DUH!

xoxoxoBruce 07-15-2007 11:34 PM

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Are you sure?

DanaC 07-16-2007 04:49 AM

:biglaugha :biggrinpi

rkzenrage 07-17-2007 01:08 AM

This is loony, but fun to watch. http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/9/4806.

rkzenrage 07-24-2007 12:10 AM



I did not post this because of the creationism aspect, though that is interesting, but the comments on Theory, which some seem to have issues with... not in here so far, but many do and I love how they put it in here.

dar512 07-24-2007 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf (Post 364267)
God.

(I maintain my position that there is no inconsistency between a religious and scientific explanation. Once you stop seeing them as mutually exclusive opposing sides, you step back and go, "Okay, yeah, it could work that way too." The Big Bang and Evolution are just as miraculous as a carpenter's son walking on water.)

That's pretty much my position too.

It might be coincidence, but I think if you showed a primitive person a movie of the creation of the universe and the origins of life and then asked them to tell the tale to others, I think you'd get pretty much the first few paragraphs of Genesis.

Squid_Operator 07-25-2007 12:54 AM

Certainly not creationism.

I'm down with evolution.


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