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TheMercenary 04-19-2007 07:18 PM

RAPPER WOULDN'T HELP POLICE CATCH EVEN A SERIAL KILLER
 
PLATINUM SELLING RAPPER TELLS '60 MINUTES': WOULDN'T HELP POLICE CATCH EVEN A SERIAL KILLER BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT HIS BUSINESS AND VIOLATE HIS 'CODE OF ETHICS'
Thu Apr 19 2007 12:47:1 ET

Rap star Cam'ron says there's no situation -- including a serial killer living next door -- that would cause him to help police in any way, because to do so would hurt his music sales and violate his "code of ethics." Cam'ron, whose real name is Cameron Giles, talks to Anderson Cooper for a report on how the hip-hop culture's message to shun the police has undermined efforts to solve murders across the country. Cooper's report will be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, April 22 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

"If I knew the serial killer was living next door to me?" Giles responds to a hypothetical question posed by Cooper. "I wouldn't call and tell anybody on him -- but I'd probably move," says Giles. "But I'm not going to call and be like, ÔThe serial killer's in 4E.' " ( For an excerpt of Giles' interview, click here

Giles' "code of ethics" also extends to crimes committed against him. After being shot and wounded by gunmen, Giles refused to cooperate with police. Why? "Because...it would definitely hurt my business, and the way I was raised, I just don't do that," says Giles. Pressed by Cooper, who says had he been the victim, he would want his attacker to be caught, Giles explains further: "But then again, you're not going to be on the stage tonight in the middle of, say, Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, with people with gold and platinum teeth and dreadlocks jumping up and down singing your songs, either," says Giles. "We're in two different lines of business."

"So for you, it's really about business?" Cooper asks.

"It's about business," Giles says, "but it's still also a code of ethics."

Rappers appear to be concerned about damaging what's known as their "street credibility," says Geoffrey Canada, an anti-violence advocate and educator from New York City's Harlem neighborhood. "It's one of those things that sells music and no one really quite understands why," says Canada. Their fans look up to artists if they come from the "meanest streets of the urban ghetto," he tells Cooper. For that reason, Canada says, they do not cooperate with the police.

Canada says in the poor New York City neighborhood he grew up in, only the criminals didn't talk to the police, but within today's hip-hop culture, that's changed. "It is now a cultural norm that is being preached in poor communities....It's like you can't be a black person if you have a set of values that say ÔI will not watch a crime happen in my community without getting involved to stop it,'" Canada tells Cooper.

Young people from some of New York's toughest neighborhoods echo Canada's assessment, calling the message not to help police "the rules" and helping the police "a crime" in their neighborhoods. These "rules" are contributing to a much lower percentage of arrests in homicide cases -- a statistic known as the "clearance rate" -- in largely poor, minority neighborhoods throughout the country, according to Prof. David Kennedy of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "I work in communities where the clearance rate for homicides has gone into the single digits," says Kennedy. The national rate for homicide clearance is 60 percent. "In these neighborhoods, we are on the verge of -- or maybe we have already lost -- the rule of law," he tells Cooper.

Says Canada, "It's like we're saying to the criminals, ÔYou can have our community....Do anything you want and we will either deal with it ourselves or we'll simply ignore it.' "

freshnesschronic 04-19-2007 07:26 PM

I understand. Most people here will probably strongly disagree, but I know what Cam'ron's talking about. It's a social code for the people living in the projects, ghettos or slums. It's like, the police, the Man, they don't help you, so why should you help them.

Personally, I don't think I'd tell someone if a serial killer lived next to me. I'd be afraid of getting killed. Plus that's a freaking HUGE accusation.

TheMercenary 04-19-2007 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by freshnesschronic (Post 335437)
I understand. Most people here will probably strongly disagree, but I know what Cam'ron's talking about. It's a social code for the people living in the projects, ghettos or slums. It's like, the police, the Man, they don't help you, so why should you help them.

Personally, I don't think I'd tell someone if a serial killer lived next to me. I'd be afraid of getting killed. Plus that's a freaking HUGE accusation.

Come on, you wouldn't tell someone if there was a serial killer living next door. I understand the code of The Jungle and all, but when it comes to offing a bunch of folks.... your ass is going to jail if I can help it.

Beestie 04-19-2007 09:50 PM

No, you have it all wrong Merc. The real reason the rapper won't turn in the serial killer is so he won't have to face him when his own sorry ass lands in the slammer.

piercehawkeye45 04-19-2007 10:23 PM

That is the code on the street. Most people there do want justice, they just see the police doing a shitting job at doing it. These people aren't anarchists either, if they call themselves anachists they are fake.

duck_duck 04-20-2007 01:13 AM

"In these neighborhoods, we are on the verge of -- or maybe we have already lost -- the rule of law," he tells Cooper."

So much for law and order in american cities.

wolf 04-20-2007 02:06 AM

Philadelphia has the "Don't Snitch" thing going on. They should round all of their asses up and send them back to where they came from.

Camden.

TheMercenary 04-20-2007 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf (Post 335557)
Philadelphia has the "Don't Snitch" thing going on. They should round all of their asses up and send them back to where they came from.

Camden.

:D Let's send them to Aussie land. We could trade them for some of their illegal immigrants.

SadistSecret 04-20-2007 11:29 AM

Don't we have enough illegal immigrants?

They're like a dime a dozen here.

deadbeater 04-20-2007 07:01 PM

Ooh, you dropped a dime here.

elSicomoro 04-21-2007 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic (Post 335437)
I understand. Most people here will probably strongly disagree, but I know what Cam'ron's talking about. It's a social code for the people living in the projects, ghettos or slums. It's like, the police, the Man, they don't help you, so why should you help them.

I was showing this thread to a friend the other night (who happens to be black and grew up in the 'hood), and we both came up with the same conclusions:

--We understand why some stick by the code of the streets.
--But Cam'ron and others who believe like him shouldn't. The police can be fucked up, but they ain't that fucked up.


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