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Pangloss62 07-07-2006 01:50 PM

Antisocial Personality Disorder
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2155495

The more and more we begin to look into the human brain, the more and more it seems that the notion of "free will" is becoming obsolete. I'm sure some would scoff at the notion that the soldier who is accused of raping and killing in Iraq should be found innocent because of APD, but what if his neurological profile really was an important factor? It's all kind of scary when we think about how we are all just at the mercy of our particular brain chemistry. Personally, I've never believed in free will or a "soul," but for those that do, brain imaging evidence must seem like a threat. :neutral:

Flint 07-07-2006 02:43 PM

Our nervous system is composed of the same raw materials as the rest of the universe, thus it must obey the laws of physics like every other physical object. So, unless one believes that there is some "magical" quality to a human being, then one must accept that we are essentially automatons.

skysidhe 07-07-2006 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2155495

I've never believed in free will or a "soul," but for those that do, brain imaging evidence must seem like a threat. :neutral:

You don't believe in free will??

Even people with neurological or brain defects can learn to control SOME THINGS.


That said I think when people kill there is too much labeling as if we will say, "oh, that explains it" Why not just say,
"He went bizirk! after all, WAR IS HELL"

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Originally Posted by Flint
Our nervous system is composed of the same raw materials as the rest of the universe, thus it must obey the laws of physics like every other physical object. So, unless one believes that there is some "magical" quality to a human being, then one must accept that we are essentially automatons.


The ability to reason is not a 'magical quality' . A self -actualized person is just 'aware'.

Do you actually believe we are robots?? Or do things without thinking?? I mean aside from picking up that occassional frito bag.

Clodfobble 07-07-2006 04:25 PM

Okay, say we are robots, and a rapist/murderer is completely unaccountable for his actions. The fact remains that he hurts people, and the majority of society can agree that that's a bad thing. If there's nothing we can do to fix his brain chemistry--and so far there isn't--I don't care if it's his fault or not. We'll just change the sign over the prison door to "malfunctioning brain chemistry ward" and be done with it.

Flint 07-07-2006 04:29 PM

I'm not arguing the implications, I'm just stating the facts.

skysidhe 07-07-2006 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint
I'm not arguing the implications, I'm just stating the facts.

fact- self actualization is not a magical quality it is a biological function not some vauge implication.


Do you believe we are robots? It is a yes or no question. If the answer is yes, Then say something that supports it otherwise it's it's just bs. -sorry it's true. It's bs.

Flint 07-07-2006 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe
self actualization is not a magical quality it is a biological function

Biological functions are carried out by physical materials which must obey the laws of physics. Draw your own conclusions, I'm not thinking for you.

skysidhe 07-07-2006 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint
Biological functions are carried out by physical materials which must obey the laws of physics. Draw your own conclusions, I'm not thinking for you.

I wouldn't want you to think for me.
You obviously have too much on your plate. Your statements are full of errors.
Your own conclusions are drawn so no sense in trying. Have a nice day. :)



This is automation.

Tea anyone?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...dMechanism.jpg

wolf 07-08-2006 01:05 AM

I learned tonight, because we had 20-20 on the television at work that I am no longer responsible for my comfortably messy house or my need to obsessively purchase books and other cool things. I now have a soft addiction.

Isn't that cool? This is going to go really well with my Binge Eating Disorder (which replaced my just plain overeating) and Intermittent Explosive Disorder (which is my insurance-eligible road rage).

skysidhe 07-08-2006 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf
`snip - soft addiction.


ugg, 'soft addiction' more labeling.



There is just something so sweet in calling things as they are. I am a lazy , greedy , cream puff. There that feels better.

wolf 07-08-2006 01:28 AM

I am acquisitive.

skysidhe 07-08-2006 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf
I am acquisitive.

That word is so lady like. Like you've got to have your pinky finger up when you say it. :p

rkzenrage 07-08-2006 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf
I learned tonight, because we had 20-20 on the television at work that I am no longer responsible for my comfortably messy house or my need to obsessively purchase books and other cool things. I now have a soft addiction.

Isn't that cool? This is going to go really well with my Binge Eating Disorder (which replaced my just plain overeating) and Intermittent Explosive Disorder (which is my insurance-eligible road rage).

I saw that enabling crap too.:greenface

wolf 07-08-2006 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe
That word is so lady like. Like you've got to have your pinky finger up when you say it. :p

It's a leftover from a short story I read when fairly young. I think it may have been one of Isaac Asimov's Black Widowers stories.

wolf 07-08-2006 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
I saw that enabling crap too.:greenface

My only real regret about that story is that I am not a $500 per session consultant to help you deal with your feelings of guilt related to your soft addiction.


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