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Gravdigr 03-11-2015 11:29 AM

For Our Beekeepers
 
I don't know if you guys (I think we have more than one apiarist here) have seen this, or not.

It's a different kind of hive. To get the honey, you just turn a tap, and ya got honey.

Sounds kinda cool, honey, on tap.

The guys behind it have raised almost $5,000,000, twelve days into their Indiegogo campaign.

Here's the story.

DanaC 03-11-2015 11:31 AM

Very interesting!

orthodoc 03-11-2015 06:09 PM

I want one. Or five. Planning to set up in beekeeping in the next couple of years, so ... yes!

nowhereman 03-12-2015 07:18 AM

Personally, I think it's a gimmick. If honey is thin enough to flow, the moisture content is probably too high, which would promote fermentation. Honey reads around 18% on a refractometer, down from the 80+% moisture of nectar. Extraction is done by either cutting off the cappings and spinning the frames in an extractor or by "crush-and-strain", whereby the combs are cut from the frame and either hung to drain or crushed with something resembling a potato masher. I also don't see what happens to the bees on the frames that are pierced - do they get pierced as well? Interesting concept, but something for those with extra cash to play with. Rev. Langsroth (developer of the currently used 10 frame hives and discoverer of "bee space") had it right.

xoxoxoBruce 03-12-2015 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman (Post 923378)
Personally, I think it's a gimmick. If honey is thin enough to flow, the moisture content is probably too high, which would promote fermentation. Honey reads around 18% on a refractometer, down from the 80+% moisture of nectar.

So the honey that's consumer ready, honey in the jar at the supermarket, reads 18% moisture? I know for sure it flows, sometimes slower than molasses in January, but it flows... usually when I think, Oh, that will stay on the knife while I grab another piece of bread.:smack:
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Extraction is done by either cutting off the cappings and spinning the frames in an extractor or by "crush-and-strain", whereby the combs are cut from the frame and either hung to drain or crushed with something resembling a potato masher.
But isn't all that labor because people and bears are impatient? Want honey now!

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I also don't see what happens to the bees on the frames that are pierced - do they get pierced as well?
Took me awhile to figure out how this works. They provide frames with partially formed cells the bees finish, fill, and cap. This assures the filled cells back up to both sides of the back wall. Then turning the crank somehow splits that wall allowing the honey to leak down to the drain tube. That will take time, especially without air coming into the cells from the capped side. But since it doesn't have to be watched, eventually it'll drain most of the honey and the bees don't know, we wuz robbed.

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Interesting concept, but something for those with extra cash to play with. Rev. Langsroth (developer of the currently used 10 frame hives and discoverer of "bee space") had it right.
I have some skepticism also. Seems the bees thinking the combs are still full are going to have a hard time planning their retirement, like when Wall street steals your IRA. Don't full combs promote the hive to split and half move out? Isn't it empty combs that spur them to be busy little bees?

In order to keep things healthy the drained frame will have to be replaced with an empty frame, so why drain it in the hive when you can do it outside after the swap? Granted it may be a neat and easy way to drain the frame after it's out.

It seems a lot of old hippies, young hipsters, and tree huggers of all ages, have taken an interest in bee keeping. This is good for the bees, for nature, and helps keep healthy stocks for the pros to draw from which we so desperately depend on. I read without the bees, humans would last four years.
But even if it's a gimmick and not fully kink-free, there seems to be enough people interested for smart people to work them out.
If only bees were toilet trainable.

Griff 03-13-2015 06:25 AM

This may be flawed, I have doubts about flow unless it's wicked hot, but I do think we can do a lot better than a design patented in 1852. It was absolute genius in its time but we've come a long way in our knowledge of the honeybee, materials development, and design in the intervening 163 years. This is likely the opening salvo in a total remake.

Lamplighter 03-13-2015 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 923329)
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The guys behind it have raised almost $5,000,000, twelve days into their Indiegogo campaign.
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It looks as tho this gimmick has already fulfilled it's purpose

nowhereman 03-14-2015 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 923464)
It was absolute genius in its time but we've come a long way in our knowledge of the honeybee, materials development, and design in the intervening 163 years. This is likely the opening salvo in a total remake.

Every time I work in the hives, I'm reminded that the bees know more about beekeeping than I do.

Gravdigr 03-14-2015 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman (Post 923555)
Every time I work in the hives, I'm reminded that the bees know more about beekeeping than I do.

That makes me wonder who's keeping whom...;)

nowhereman 03-15-2015 09:24 AM

Exactly :D

Griff 03-15-2015 11:26 AM

Oh, the bees definitely have the upper hand in this relationship. Their willingness to walk fly off whenever they feel the clover is higher somewhere else ensures that.

Gravdigr 04-24-2015 02:08 PM

How the Internet of Things Could Save the Bees

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It’s a concept that’s both simple and terrifying. For years, scientists have known that honeybees are disappearing at an alarming rate. Fewer honeybees means less pollination, which could lead to a rapid drop in food supplies. If the bee die-off continues, the entire human race will be threatened. We need bees.

Fortunately, researchers at the University of Minnesota may have come up with an Internet of Things device that could help prevent the bee-pocalypse.

One theory behind the massive bee collapse involves the Varroa destructor mite, a tiny, vampirelike parasite that lives inside honeybee colonies and literally sucks the life out of them, infecting them with a virus that contributes to colony collapse disorder.

The Eltopia MiteNot can wipe out the mites using a circuit board camouflaged to blend in with a traditional honeycomb frame made from cornstarch wax and other renewable materials. Beekeepers install one MiteNot frame inside the hive; the board’s embedded sensors detect temperature fluctuations and other environmental data, then transmit it via a 3G cellular connection to Eltopia’s cloud-based BeeSafe application.

Based on sensor data, BeeSafe can detect the optimal moment when female mites have laid their eggs, but before the male mites have fertilized them. It then sends a command back to the MiteNot frame to heat up just enough to sterilize the male mites without harming the bees.

When covered in wax, the frame with MiteNot installed becomes indistinguishable from any other part of the hive and can be reused as needed. Its great advantage is that it can fight the mites without the use of pesticides, which could also harm the bees.

The Eltopia MiteNot is still being tested, but it may be available as early as fall 2015. Hopefully we’ll all still bee around by then.

BigV 04-27-2015 11:28 AM

I'm ... kind of skeptical that "based on sensor data" it can be determined at what moment female mites lay their eggs. Heating the hive, sure. Sterilizing the male mites, I can get that too. Why not just periodically heat the hive to such a temperature as a regular practice? Sterile males are sterile males, regardless if eggs have been laid. Something just doesn't add up for me in that story.

I'm a big bee fan, yay bees, but I can't quite buy this system.

Clodfobble 04-27-2015 11:36 AM

As any former fertility patient knows, there is a very measurable spike in basal body temperature during the 24 hours surrounding ovulation. Or at least there is for mammals, I don't know for sure about mites, but the article did say they were measuring temperature among other environmental factors. That would still require the bulk of the female mite population to be on the same cycle, but maybe they have a natural tendency to sync up, like ladies in an office.

xoxoxoBruce 04-27-2015 12:32 PM

A spike in body temperature does not necessarily correlate with a spike in room temperature.

Happy Monkey 04-29-2015 04:25 PM

There might be environmental variables that affect when mites get frisky; the sensors might track that, rather than sensing the mites themselves.

glatt 05-19-2015 07:45 AM

Obama hopes to save the honey bee.

He's going to announce a coordinated plan between multiple government agencies to stop the decline of the honey bee in the US.

It's gonna piss some special interest groups off, but appears to enjoy bipartisan support, at least in theory.

Read the article for the details, or wait for the plan to be officially released today, but it will impact everything from how highway roadside mowing is done to which pesticides are permitted for agricultural use and when.

Gravdigr 05-19-2015 11:57 AM

So long honey bees, we hardly knew ye.

Gravdigr 05-26-2015 12:40 PM


xoxoxoBruce 05-26-2015 03:08 PM

That's an amazing video.
Slightly tangential... Norway's Bumblebee Highway.

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The corridor is set to cover a pollen station every 250 meters.

“The idea is to create a route through the city with enough feeding stations for the bumblebees all the way. Enough food will also help the bumblebees withstand manmade environmental stress better,” Tonje Waaktaar Gamst of the Oslo Garden Society told Osloby newspaper, The Local reports.

classicman 05-28-2015 11:33 AM

Very cool! Great find.

Griff 05-29-2015 06:18 AM

I never officially came out as a no bee keeper. 0 hives survived the winter. The varoa numbers were supposedly low enough but it was brutally cold. *shrug*

xoxoxoBruce 06-01-2015 11:38 AM

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Not how to bring new ones home...

footfootfoot 06-01-2015 06:01 PM





Japanese honeybees use temp to kill predator. Maybe the euro bees could ;earn a few things

Lamplighter 06-01-2015 06:26 PM

Wouldn't it be more economical for the bees to outsource a squad of bombardier bettles ?

:flamer:

Gravdigr 06-18-2015 05:06 PM

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Who knew bees' hearts were this big?

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BigV 06-19-2015 12:02 AM

Awwwwwwww!

Griff 06-19-2015 02:07 PM

Nice.

xoxoxoBruce 07-01-2015 03:27 PM

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Frames? We ain't got no frames. We don't need no stinkin' frames.

Griff 07-02-2015 05:56 AM

Unnecessary extravagance. I took an empty place holder frame out of a hive last weekend to give them a frame of brood. They had already started building comb in it. Industrious little creatures, busy as

xoxoxoBruce 07-04-2015 06:06 PM

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glatt 07-12-2015 05:16 PM

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Bees are busy here this weekend. Seems like hundreds of them on this vine thing by our trash cans.
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xoxoxoBruce 07-13-2015 07:45 AM

This article says the harsh winter on Cape Cod, MA, killed half the honey bees. :(

Gravdigr 08-15-2015 02:01 PM

I would like to introduce our beekeepers (and the rest of the Cellar) to Klinker.

Klinker is the only certified dog in the United States than can sniff out the American Foulbrood bacteria.



Good girl!

Undertoad 08-17-2015 09:14 AM

This dude kept one bee - the video is kinda long but it makes you happy.


fargon 08-17-2015 10:59 AM

It made me happy.

xoxoxoBruce 08-17-2015 11:26 AM

Me too.

Gravdigr 08-17-2015 01:24 PM

Meh.

Makes me wanna kill bees.

glatt 08-17-2015 05:04 PM

Made me happy. He pets it!

Happy Monkey 08-20-2015 11:44 AM

Is the bee named Eric Eric?

Griff 08-21-2015 06:09 AM

:)

BigV 08-26-2015 02:46 PM

nyuk nyuk nyuk

Gravdigr 08-27-2015 05:28 PM

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"Honeycomb's big, yeah, yeah, yeah; It's not small, no, no, no..."

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Griff 08-28-2015 06:08 AM

Whoa!

xoxoxoBruce 09-06-2015 06:10 PM

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Hives are expensive and work to maintain. Plus winter's coming in this hemisphere, so why not stay inside where it's warm and toasty. You can fall asleep to a buzzing undercurrent of contented. Just bring your little honey poopin' buddies in too.

Gravdigr 09-07-2015 07:52 AM

...buzzing undercurrent of contentment...

That's what I'm going for.:fumette:

xoxoxoBruce 09-14-2015 08:27 PM

Six months work making this ...


xoxoxoBruce 09-17-2015 05:09 AM

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Badda Bee... Big Badda Bee.

nowhereman 09-22-2015 07:02 AM

Just finished extracting 156 pounds of nice dark fall honey. Now the bottling begins!

Griff 09-23-2015 06:21 AM

Hurrah!

BigV 09-24-2015 10:35 PM

That is a LOT of mead, right there.

xoxoxoBruce 09-27-2015 03:45 AM

156 lbs of honey is how many flowers? :eek:
How many hours/miles of flying?

busterb 09-27-2015 05:59 PM

The BEEcosystem Lets You Keep Bees as Indoor Pets
http://www.odditycentral.com/animals...door-pets.html

xoxoxoBruce 09-27-2015 08:31 PM

I've seen a lot of similar setups in schools and museums, should work fine. Or just drill a few holes in the siding, they'll find it. :haha:

xoxoxoBruce 10-02-2015 08:11 PM

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A hidden plus, if the cops hassle you, sic the bees on 'em.
When they blame you, just shrug and say, "They're bees, your honor, they do what they want.";)

Gravdigr 10-18-2015 02:36 PM

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Bees on a Hornet:

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Bee logic:

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Pamela 01-13-2016 08:57 PM

A Hardier Honeybee That Fights Back By Biting Back
 
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xoxoxoBruce 01-13-2016 09:23 PM

It's just a start, but it sure sounds promising.

Griff 01-14-2016 06:14 AM

There are folks who stimulate grooming behavior by dusting bees with powdered sugar. This looks good but the size of the gene pool is fighting them.

Gravdigr 01-27-2016 12:19 PM



Oh, that poor International Scout...:(


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