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piercehawkeye45 08-06-2008 04:28 AM

Power = Oppression
 
Very simple question. Very simple analogy.

You are either the wolf or the sheep. To be the wolf, you have to eat the sheep. To be the sheep, you have to be eaten by the wolf. The Shepard is only the most clever wolf in disguise.

Agreements? Disagreements? Anyone wishing to expand?

DanaC 08-06-2008 06:25 AM

I would say Power = the potential for oppression.



[eta] the only character in this scenario who exercises power is the shepherd. Wolves do not oppress sheep, they kill them. Both animals are acting on instinct and without the capacity for empathy, as we might understand it. For the sheep, the wolf is simply a situation to be responded to, a danger to survive, or not. To the wolf, the sheep is simply a recognised prey, to which he responds according to his nature. Power presupposes that the one exercising has the capacity for agency.

skysidhe 08-06-2008 08:11 AM

I feel like the sheep dog.

http://www.thefunnyweb.net/161/47.jpg

xoxoxoBruce 08-06-2008 10:02 AM

No, although it creates the possibility, it's not equal.

Troubleshooter 08-06-2008 10:09 AM

Power is potential, opportunity.

Clodfobble 08-06-2008 11:28 AM

The question is what do you consider "oppression?" If your definition of oppression is simply that someone else has any amount of power over you... well then yes, power = oppression would be a tautology for you. To me oppression means a certain amount of suffering. I have power over my children, but I do not oppress them. My boss has power over me, but he does not oppress me.

lookout123 08-06-2008 01:41 PM

Quote:

My boss has power over me, but he does not oppress me.
of course not, those sexual harrassment suits are painful.

HungLikeJesus 08-06-2008 01:46 PM

Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

Aliantha 08-06-2008 06:48 PM

Just because an entity has power doesn't mean it oppresses anyone or anything.

Apparently God has power, but does he oppress?

Troubleshooter 08-06-2008 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 474323)
Just because an entity has power doesn't mean it oppresses anyone or anything.

Apparently God has power, but does he oppress?

I don't know about God, but some of his alleged adherents did a mighty fine job of it.

Cicero 08-06-2008 07:33 PM

We would have to go into the definition of power and I'm too lazy. So I will just say no, not always.

smoothmoniker 08-06-2008 09:05 PM

Power is the ability to make real an intended result.

It is only oppressive if the actions undertaken to make that result real infringe on the rights of others against their will.

ZenGum 08-07-2008 12:31 AM

I cite 'lil Lookout as a counter-example.

But I also remember that the main ingredient in shepherd's pie is NOT tofu.

lookout123 08-07-2008 02:13 PM

I don't speak all fancy like smoothmoniker but i think we have the same idea. I liked the part in Schindler's List where Schindler tells the camp commander that real power comes from having the ability to do something but choosing not to do so. That seems like the opposite of oppression to me.

Flint 08-07-2008 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 474651)
I don't speak all fancy like smoothmoniker...

Sometimes I thank God for unanswered prayers.


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