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The flip flop issue has raised it's ugly head:

Washington Post
October 27, 2011
As Romney learned in Ohio, state issues can be tricky to navigate for presidential candidates

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As Romney proved this week, such local issues can trip up even the most cautious candidate,
causing headaches for their national campaigns while hurting their standings in important states
for both the primary and general elections.

“Fully support that,” Romney said about the Ohio ballot initiative while visiting a local Republican Party office Wednesday in Fairfax, Va.
A day earlier, the former Massachusetts governor visited a site near Cincinnati where volunteers
were making hundreds of phone calls to help Republicans defeat the Issue Two ballot effort.
The question before voters is whether to repeal Ohio Gov. John Kasich’s restrictions on public sector employee bargaining.
But when pressed, Romney took a pass on supporting the measure —
and just as a Quinnipiac University poll indicated that Ohio voters opposed the GOP-backed restrictions 57 percent to 32 percent.

It turned out that Romney had already weighed in, supporting Kasich’s efforts in a June Facebook post.

Patience is growing thin:

The Atlantic
Mitt Romney Can't Afford Any More Flip-Flops
By Molly Ball
Oct 26 2011, 2:13 PM ET

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His shifts on the Ohio unionizing bill have done little to counteract arguments he's a political animal who lacks conviction

In an election where Republican voters want an authentic champion to channel their anger,
Romney hasn't managed to shake the rap that he's the kind of politician
who has to check the record to figure out where he stands on a particular issue.
It was particularly galling to many conservatives that his hesitation came this week on an issue dear to their hearts --
reining in public-sector unions.
<snip>
Romney's slip in Ohio was immediately seized upon by a newly opportunistic Rick Perry campaign.
<snip>
And Perry, appearing on Fox News Tuesday night, twisted the knife: "I think in his own words he says,
'Listen, I need to say whatever I need to say for whatever office I'm running for.'"

And beside all that:
Mitt Romney learned from his father the need to be clear in his statements.
George Romney came under fire for his comments about being "brainwashed" on Vietnam.
"I have learned the lesson as well as I can to be careful in the words I use,"
Romney told the Globe in 2002 after he was elected as governor of Massachusetts.

And Alice responded:

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"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone,
"it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - - that's all."

I'm beginning to think that some Republicans would rather lose the election and bitch about everything Obama does for another 4 years instead.
At least they wouldn't have to be responsible.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 767338)

I'm beginning to think that some Republicans would rather lose the election and bitch about everything Obama does for another 4 years instead.
At least they wouldn't have to be responsible.

I was thinking that when McCain picked Palin.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 767338)

I'm beginning to think that some Republicans would rather lose the election and bitch about everything Obama does for another 4 years instead.
At least they wouldn't have to be responsible.

What makes you think they feel they need to lose to do that?

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 767538)

I was thinking that when McCain picked Palin.

McCain ran as a moderate. Much of his support came from Republican and independent moderates. But to obtain party support for the final campaign, McCain had to make a deal with the devil. His replacement campaign chief was Steve Schmidt - previously employed in Cheney's office. Schmidt eliminated many of McCain's VP considerations from the list as too moderate. And then added Palin.

We know what happened to the McCain campaign as it slowly alienated moderates. Then extremists threatened McCain's AZ Senate reelection. Forcing McCain to talk like an extremist.

Romney has the same problem. He must preach to extremists (ie tea party) while begging for moderate support. Flip flopping is almost impossible to avoid.

Meanwhile, Limbaugh is still taking cheap shots at McCain. Still calling McCain too liberal.

Truly unfortunate, but Herman Cain's campaign is going to be getting
some very bad publicity... a la Clarence Thomas.

Politico
10/30/11
Exclusive: Two women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior

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During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association
in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and
senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain,
ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.
<snip>
In one case, POLITICO has seen documentation describing the allegations and
showing that the restaurant association formally resolved the matter.
Both women received separation packages that were in the five-figure range.

I'm disappointed that this sort of crap has to show up again because
I'm sure the media will be all over it for weeks to come.

Good maybe he, Santorum, Bachmann and Gingrich will step away.

I know they are all trying to stay through the primary in Jan, but its ridiculous to have so many at a debate. You cannot ask 7-9 people to answer the same question.
Its stoopit.

I said in my post above that I am disappointed this sort of crap has come up again.

Herman Cain is playing this episode in the dumbest way possible.
Feigning vague memory, ambiguous statements, weasel words,
and denials that sound a lot like "...what is is is."
Today he is providing minute details of what were vague memories only two days ago.

Chicago Tribute
Nov 1, 2011

Face the questions, Mr. Cain

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'Nuff said. Herman Cain hopes, maybe even believes,
that he can dispatch troublesome questions about sexual harassment
allegations by refusing to answer them.
The Republican presidential candidate says the charges are "totally false"
and that's all anyone needs to know. Next question.
Sorry, Mr. Cain, but America isn't ready to go back to talking about your 9-9-9 tax plan.
<snip>

Sexual harassment claims are unfortunately not rare.
It's not unusual for them to be resolved without any determination on the merits.
Financial settlements and confidentiality agreements are common.
But Herman Cain didn't sign a no-disclosure agreement —
remember, he didn't even know there was a settlement.
Cain is free to rebut the allegations. If he wants to stay in the race, he will.

The questions aren't going to go away. Answer them.

Personally, I don't care a whit about Cain's candidacy,
and have always doubted he would become the Republican nominee.
But, my belief is total that his "999 tax plan" is so flawed and unworkable,
that a full and complete discussion would put his sort of foolishness to rest once and for all.

As it is, if Cain is forced out of the race now, that discussion probably would not happen,
and we will hear of 999 again and again and ...

I think the 9-9-9 will die with him. It's stupid, decreases revenue and punishes those who deserve it the least.

Well, it has started, just as predicted....

MSNBC.com
By STEVEN R. HURST
11/1/11
Key conservative voices rally to Cain
'It's outrageous the way liberals treat a black conservative,' fumes pundit Ann Coulter

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WASHINGTON*— The sexual harassment allegations engulfing
the candidacy of Republican Herman Cain dominated American politics Tuesday
as prominent conservative voices rallied to his side,
saying he was a victim of a "high-tech lynching."

The forceful early reaction to the Cain firestorm
— fueled by racially charged rhetoric —
suggests the Georgia businessman's attempt to cast himself
as a victim of the news media and liberals is, so far, paying dividends
among his conservative Republican base who will hold considerable
sway in selecting the party's nominee.
<snip>
Supporters were quick to liken Cain's latest troubles to those that
roiled the nomination of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,
another prominent black conservative, who faced sexual harassment allegations
during his explosive Senate confirmation hearing two decades ago.

The head of the conservative Media Research Center, Brent Bozell
labeled the story a "high-tech lynching," evoking
Thomas' divisive Supreme Court confirmation hearings two decades ago,
where he was confronted with sexual harassment allegations
from a one-time employee, Anita Hill.

"— fueled by racially charged rhetoric —" ????

In all the media reports I've read about Cain's current problems,
this is the first (only) one I've seen that attributes anything to his race.

It's all the fault of the news media and those damn liberals.
.

Bah - MSNBC ...
The guy should step aside and go sell his books.
Heck they probably taste better than his pizza.

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'It's outrageous the way liberals treat a black conservative,' fumes cunthead Ann Coulter

Fixed that for them.

Bahahahahah - - THAT needed a spit warning.

hahahaha

Nicely done Infi.