Osama bin Laden is DEAD
 

Took almost 10 years, but the US apparently has the body of the mastermind of 9/11.

Obama to speak about it in moments...

Duplicate thread here

Source is where?

turn on Abc Nbc or Cbs

I did thanks. but am I wrong in thinking they are still operating on rumors?

(currently on abc)

I do hope it's true, though.

I Just fixed drinks and we had a Bacon Toast in honor of this

I think TMZ was the first to report it. They were also the first to report about Michael Jackson's death. How do they do it? :rolleyes:

According to Fox and MSNBC, he was killed by an American bomb, and his DNA has been tested and confirmed as of tonight.

I hope it didn't kill him too quickly.

how fast can they dna test? ....although beest is listening to the news more closely and says it appear the attack was several days ago.... sounds like this is a go!

I guess it is good, but it seems almost pointless. He was no longer relevant tactically or strategically. I guess symbolically this matters, in a "We WILL get you, sooner or later" sense.

I'm a little concerned that this was done by raiding a place in Pakistan. That is an act of war, and I'll bet we didn't clear it with the Pakistanis first, on account of their ISI being in bed with the taliban. I wouldn't want to destabilise Pakistan any further. And we can now expect a wave of 'reprisal' bombings and such around the world.

Still, a win is a win.

In other words, Zen, we're not going to be able to tell if they're extra angry with us or not. The Lefty hand wringers never could correctly figure out what they should be wringing their hands over.

The deaths of mad dogs is not a thing to mourn. While we're not quite line-dancing in the streets over here, there is gathering at Ground Zero as I type. They've got to be pretty sandy-eyed by now, though. Traffic on Twitter is reported to be extraordinarily heavy.

A Pakistani helicopter started out on the mission, but crashed due to some kind of mechanical failure. So someone, somewhere in Pakistan knew about this.

ETA - this may not be the case after all, there are conflicting reports, including that the helicopter was shot down.
From the BBC "Another senior US official said that no intelligence had been shared with any country, including Pakistan, ahead of the raid."
So ignore me!

More importantly, did anyone have them on their death list this year?
Sadly, I think I gave up on him a while back, so no points for me :(

Man, the Bushes must be BUMMED.

They aren't. Republicans always do appreciate the Republic's victories. Some non-Republicans resolutely avoid grasping this, to the wonderment of all who see it.

Thinking of this sort illustrates the mentality of the Left -- too childish for Urbane Guerrilla to respect in the slightest, and I damn it categorically and often. Stupid, you see, should hurt. It should hurt as much as is needed for the lesson to be taught. For some minds, that means a level of agony that would double that of terminal prostate cancer, so slow are they to learn what they should.

Do not respect such minds -- they are slow and not nimble. In severe cases, meds must be considered. There are some folks who are only clinically sane. (Which is roughly what Michael Graham said of Janeane Garofolo.)

OT but I think worth quoting, Michael Graham on la Garofalo:

The results showed liberal Democrats about twice as likely to believe in this stuff than the conservatives they despise so loudly or the independents.

I do have occasional trouble spelling Janeane Garofalo right. Sigh.

The hand wringing lefties did it, after the chest thumpers failed for 8 years.:p:

She was in The Truth About Cats and Dogs, right?
You can achieve a surpising amount when have a strong left hand grip.

And I do. ;)

Fascinating. What blinders are you wearing that you aren't seeing the gnashing of teeth and utter flailing of the rightwingers that Obama got this done while at the same time trying to give complete credit for it to Bush? The right is downright apoplectic right now, desperately trying to figure out how to take this victory away from President Obama.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...g-picture.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ould-escalate/
http://rightwingnews.com/uncategoriz...-ladens-death/
http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...aden-dead.html
Ahhh, more personal attacks against Democrats and Liberals. So mature. What kind of mentality does that reflect, you think?

Clearly Obama located Bin laden, because he's secretly one of them. :lol2:

Yah, that's a good one, Bruce.

Jill, you do not have a rational reason to vote for a Democrat, ever again, for any office. You do have falsehoods, rationalizations, and excuses, but I, as one of the people of freedom, a small-government sort of fellow, do not.

The Democrats successfully win elections relying on the votes of the socialistic, the parasitic, and the dull-normal fellow travelers.

Lets me out of that constituency, doesn't it? I registered Libertarian Party, so I don't exactly have a dog in the Dem/Rep fight. You do know which dog I root for.

It's not that I couldn't see some blogger bloviations -- it's that I care mighty little for them, hewing to the sort of opinionmongering that is giving the due credit to both -- Obama got schooled in the business of fighting a sub-rosa war and after two years' experience has had an unequivocal victory in this sort of unconventional, non-state conflict in which symbolic sorts of victories have more weight than they do in contentions between states.

An attack upon the policy record hardly means an attack upon persons. But again, and again and ten billion times again: stupid should and must hurt until it educates the educable to quit pissing on that electric fence. When you are committed to an ideology that obliges you to choose the lesser, the more collectivist choice, does that say you're intelligent?

Turning to a posted link or two: it is a complete mischaracterization of the Washington Times editorial to call it "flailing of the rightwingers" when it is a straightforward account of who did what, and how long. When I lived in Prince George's County, Maryland, I was much in the habit of buying both each day's Washington Post and Washington Times, leaning their editorial positions up against each other to see what insight dropping a mental plumb between their respective slants might give. Sometimes it was illuminating. Eventually I got the idea the Times staffers were the less dickheaded, and rather the less statist. Encouraging, really.

Does sound to you like flailing around to be unfair to Obama? This is all a matter of public record, and it's all over the place. If you think this is utter flailing, shame on you. You could always reread the piece. Indeed you should, for you have grasped little of its essence. I could keep on citing paragraph after paragraph from that linked article of its evenhandedness, but a tw-ish wall-of-text isn't my style. I'm not an obsessive.

Pp. 130-131 of this thread in CityData's forum are a typical-enough Internent firefight, yeah. An example of the sort of thing I don't waste a lot of caring upon. And your point might have been?

Honestly, Jill dear. Don't post stuff that invites condescension; use the old noodle. We are smarter than you'd like, or would like to acknowledge, tougher than you could handle, and we're fertile too. See Sarah Palin. And we make more sensible arguments, as anyone reading Jonah Goldberg's Proud To Be Right really has to acknowledge. We read things presently beyond your ken, but you can catch up. If you have the courage of your convictions, I invite you to test them.

You are free to rationalize your own politics. You are not free to do so with mine. Interesting perspective. I find that the Republicans successfully win elections relying on the votes of the greedy, selfish, low-IQ, hate-filled, angry, frightened and those easily manipulated with complete lies. Guess which group I'd rather belong to. The rabid one that needs to be put down? What policy records? That's not what you attacked. You attacked the persons who adhere to those policies as being mentally ill.

The facts are, when viewed through the lens of reality, we as a nation have historically done better over the past half century when Democrats have been in control. Republican policies have repeatedly been proven, when implemented, not to work. At all. Well, that's not completely true. They work -- in the exact opposite way that's claimed.

I won't even humor you with what this country would devolve into under Libertarian rule. Honestly, Guerrilla dear, don't flatter yourself. I've taken on smarter than you and won. Handily.

As to whether or not Sarah Palin is hotter than me, or I could unseat Miss Turkey, I guess that depends on who's judging.

DAYUM, Jill is hawt!
You win.

Also, I bet your whoha isn't all stretched out from popping out too many babies!

Oh SNAP!

Jill, there are just no words for how much you won that! :)

Awww, thank you very much. That's really sweet of you to say. Hooha's not stretched out from having any babies. I feel like taking a bow, but I don't want to appear arrogant.

I did kinda show him, though, didn't I? Hehe

A hundred times over. I'm still chuckling.

You rock! :)

the GM here at work was watching cnn and they broke a leak story saying that the US actually didn't kill bin laden but that he was killed by his own people. something about that he ordered them to do it in case it looked like he was either going to be captured or killed by the americans, he didn't want to die by an american hand but rather one of his own people. either way i don't care. he's dead.

Dude, he's not dead. He's pining for the fjords.

And Jill rocks.

Definitely understated :)

You have won nothing, Jill, and you're not going to. Sure, you're stubborn. Sure, you pursue subadult ideas. Those shall not win the day for you, handily nor otherwise. Fanatics collide with me and they break.

Let's start in on the nature of the Left, shall we?

Particularly this last is whence the opposition to the Obama Administration and its agenda springs. Even the temperately-read words of the usual sort of Obama speech, exemplified in the "clinging bitterly to their guns and their religion" speech, show a profound disdain for people who just plain don't merit disdain. It mischaracterizes them as bitter, then abuses the practitioners of the vaccination of the body politic against genocide -- or do the JPFO have it all wrong?

I doubt that last in particular.

Being rather right of center myself allows and causes me to be whole -- unbroken. I am not here to lead you astray, Jill. I am here to do the very opposite. Indeed, such is my character that I could no other, all right? You don't have to like it right off, you don't have to believe me right off. But you will come to a somewhat uncomfortable awareness that I do rather well, because of what I hew to; because I have a clear understanding of who and what the monsters are. This is a faculty the Left -- well, it is kindest to say that they lack it.

This will, I think, be a great deal of fun.

Did they also ask questions about belief in eating the magic biscuits that are actually the body of the son of the bearded sky-daddy who made the world in six days and carries you off to the cloudland when you die?

Or was the study as one-sided as you present it to be?

ay, there's the rub...

Y'know what, Zen? I eat wafers. Free wine on Sundays, too. (If the phrase sounds familiar but you can't put your finger on it, Google is your friend and Bob's your ungulate.)

And I was raised Unitarian if I was raised anything. I like to think the experience of youth plus that of maturer years gives me a broad and sensible perspective.

Atheism is much too cramped for me. Too much a belief in unbelief so its final reward seems so... picayune. Perhaps the most sturdily rational, or rationalist, atheist I ever heard of was Robert A. Heinlein -- a fellow I'd happily consign to Heaven.

Or is it righter to reckon of those who are atheistic "Verily, they have received their reward."

The list of despots who behaved all their lives as if there were no afterlife that might possibly be influenced by their deeds in this life is long and written in dried blood: Jenghis Khan, Mao Tse Tung, Josef Stalin and his enabler Vladimr Il'ych you-know-who, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler. Those are just the high points. Their nearest real approach to God seems to have been when they were swearing at somebody. There's always that whiff of dead folks around the anti-believers who operate on a large scale, who very often do not discourage their followers to worship them, mortal men, instead of something more abstract and with the right touch of the supernal.

What the small-scale antibelievers seem to lack looks like the opportunity to slaughter like the big boys.

Now I follow a trinitarian way, to the point of being an Episcopalian lay minister, duly licensed by the Diocese of Los Angeles. There's a lot of... brain going on in the Anglican Communion. You know that's the kind of thing I like.

The difference between religious thinking and superstitious (or magickal) thinking seems to me to be in what you do with it once you've thought it.

Or perhaps you are just a legend in your own mind.

A strange mind indeed to quote Michael Graham, who suggests that all of Islam is a terrorist organization.

Leaves one to wonder if he was speaking about himself and those who quote him when he said:, "The problem is not extremism."

Right. The problem is fear-mongering, whether its an "islamofacist" hiding under our beds or Obama taking away your guns.

Witch hunts all across Europe and US, US Slavery, Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition

Just a few of the atrocities that Christians (who did believe in the after life) committed.

You mean like a good Christian like likely presidential candidate Mike Huckabee who links gay sex to bestiality and abortion to slavery and who wants to amend the Constitution to reflect those views?

Y'all are so cute trying to sustain a rational dialog with UG! :corn:

Just testing the findings of a recent study in the UK that suggests people with right wing views have a larger area of the brain associated with fear. ;)

SRLSY!

I think it's you guys who rock! You sure made my day! :blush: I pursue "subadult" ideas? That's hilarious, considering you're the one who suggested that being a Beauty Queen was somehow relevant to political superiority.

Interesting that you wish to "break" me, as opposed to convince me. Personally, I'd just like for you to learn a few things, and perhaps acknowledge a few truths, even if you don't come around fully to my way of thinking, politically. Why would you want to "break" me? That's not very respectful. How about let's not. This thread is about the death of Osama bin Laden. I'd say it's already been hijacked enough, wouldn't you? On the other hand, I simply cannot allow a misquote to go without correction. It is you who is doing the mischaracterizing here. Then-candidate Obama did not say that anyone was clinging bitterly to their guns and their religion, and certainly not within a speech. And it certainly wasn't in an attempt to marginalize anyone.

Barack Obama was discussing the reason that so many people in "small town America" are bitter -- and they are, let's be honest.

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not."

Do you deny this truth? Is this not an accurate depiction of many small towns throughout the Midwest, where jobs have dried up and nothing more than lip service has been paid to those who have been suffering through the demise of their livelihoods?

And that, friend Guerrilla, is why Barack Obama then said, "And it's not surprising then they get bitter."

It's not surprising, is it? It doesn't surprise me that people who've been "left behind" by technology and job outsourcing and politicians entering into treaties and working trade deals that have contributed to their towns crumbling around them, would be bitter. I'd be bitter! Wouldn't you?

And what do people who have become bitter about how the government has in many ways orchestrated their devolution towards poverty do, when they don't have the political clout to effect change in the big ways that would rebuild their communities?

"They cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...enophobia.html

That isn't even remotely how you depicted his statement, is it?

I don't mind debating you on facts. You're certainly well within your rights to want to counter the assessment Barack Obama made, based on what he actually said. But it's impossible to have a reasonable debate with someone when they aren't debating realities, but made-up stuff. I have no doubt that you do very well. I'm quite certain that you attribute that to how you hew politically. I contend, however, that you are completely unaware of who and what the monsters really are, or you would be fighting to save America from them instead of embracing them while watching your beloved country crumble around your ears. For one of us, perhaps. I'm not sure it's who you think it is, though. Indeed. As exposed above. If one doesn't view the political landscape through the lens of reality, the world becomes distorted and no problems can ever be resolved, nor can agreement ever be reached. I may tire of it at some point, but for now, I'm willing to engage him, at a minimum to show him that he has formulated opinions based on faulty information. Not just that, but "people with self-reported liberal views tended to have a larger anterior cingulate cortex -- a brain area involved in processing conflicting information." :thumb2:

In the meantime, Osama bin Laden is still DEAD! And it was Barack Obama who orchestrated it. http://cellar.org/picture.php?albumid=24&pictureid=169

Sooooooo when you made that post wishing to commit adultery with Anne Coulter [shudder] that was a shining example of your character? Alrighty then!!

Oh that's just nasty. [shudder] is right.

I identify as being right of center in most areas (shocker, I know) and I still believe UG is someone's sock puppet. Colbert, The Onion, UG...

Anatomically, my heart is just left of center.

I'm conservative so I had my heart removed. It wasn't being used and all.

I hope you did a sale-lease back arrangement so you could take full advantage of the federal tax breaks and accelerated depreciation.

I'm not sure, last I heard my accountant was splitting it into zeros and the like for the derivatives market. Seems some dumbass bleeding hearts want to back up their claims of having more heart. or was that Eng er Land supporters???

Osama bin Laden is DEAD
Just a thought, is not the above the topic?
As an an outsider I would have not have been able to tell if I had not read the title of the thread. Seems more like the ramblings from the farside and makes me wonder if anyone is really interested in actual discussion here or if they are just bored.:rolleyes:
Casper

Yeah, we did manage to get a bit off-topic, as fluid conversations often do. Now stop being snotty or I'll have to spank you, which you are free to take as a threat or a promise, whichever you choose. Now come say hello. And be nice -- you can smack Urbane Guerrilla around later. :p:

Join the club, my friend. I think I've said that on a number of occasions. Although, back in the old Cellar days we had one or two people with views so extreme I thought the same thing. I believe that Barak turned out to be a real person.

There are people out there with extremely closed minds and extremist views that to them seem close to the mainstream. Any number of Wolf's former clients are probably surprised that anyone challenges what to them are simple facts.

There are people on the left who are also extreme. I would state, however, that being 'liberal' by definition means that one is open to other views. This does place extreme left-wingers vulnerable to either having their views challenged or to losing any claim to the title.

I'm still not sure if UG is a sock puppet, but the day I believe that gets closer the more extreme and indefensible his expressed views become. One day it won't be a choice of 'sock puppet or not', but of 'wool or cotton' ;).

Getting back on topic, I was talking to a conservative acquaintance and we both agreed that 'dancing in the streets' is a disturbing response. I was shocked and appalled when the bodies of American servicemen were dragged through the streets in Somalia. I had always hoped that we would not be like that. Killing an enemy is necessary in war. Feeling resolution, relief, and even satisfaction is reasonable. Expressing joyful exuberance in the taking of a life or lives is an attitude I would like to leave to our enemies as one of the differences between us that we are fighting to uphold.

Do you think any of them will ever visit the cellar?:rolleyes:

That may be the definition but that doesn't seem to be the SOP for many of the self described liberals found in the cellar and the streets.

Now as far as the dancing in the streets business, for me it isn't a moral issue so much as an intelligence issue. He's dead. Someone else was put in danger to accomplish the mission and they succeeded. Good on them. Dipshits dancing in Times Square is about the same as sports fans running through the streets like they had scored the championship winning point themselves. Fuck off, enjoy the moment and act like adults.

There were a few who had lost family. Seemed like the vast majority were college-aged people. That assessment is from what I saw on MSNBC. They were cheering for Obama, I hope.

Dancing in the streets was a bit excessive and but then again so is:
Not the mass murdering piece of shit or that his death was long overdue or that someone loved him, but the rest.

Yeah. You might want to get your funny bone checked.

edit: I am aware that my little paragraph wasn't high brow clever humor, but surely you must realize I wasn't actually promoting slathering him in bacon and sending him on tour?

However, I WOULD like it if you would slather me in bacon and send ME on tour. Sans the dead part, of course.

I get it now. :rolleyes:

How about hanging his body at Ground Zero and allowing those who choose to spit on him.

From your link...
"we’re looking at destroying his legacy, not being fair and balanced."

So apparently he doesn't want to be you.
lol