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xoxoxoBruce 01-30-2020 02:02 AM

Trump Policy
 
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In other words, Donald Trump is overseeing the explicit shaping of corporate behavior by the state, which is a stark break from the libertarian framework that has guided U.S. policy since the 1990s.
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Griff 01-30-2020 06:39 AM

I think a younger still sane Trump would have done this more effectively. He won't get a national conversation focusing on coal but he will get to stay in office.

xoxoxoBruce 01-30-2020 08:10 AM

I read an article yesterday where they asked a bunch of people across the rust belt who said they will vote for trump, whether they voted for him last time, and why this time. Half had voted for him before but the consensus was he's a pig but business is good. Their personal income had risen and that was foremost. They felt the Democrats hadn't done anything for them because they were busy impeaching Trump.

henry quirk 01-31-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

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xoxoxoBruce 01-31-2020 12:39 PM

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That doesn't tell me much?

Happy Monkey 01-31-2020 12:58 PM

Interesting; looks like it's not an image, but an emoji (a thumbs down) from a font. On my browser, it's rendered using the "Segoe UI Emoji" font. You may not have a font installed that supports that character.

henry quirk 01-31-2020 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 1045798)
Interesting; looks like it's not an image, but an emoji (a thumbs down) from a font. On my browser, it's rendered using the "Segoe UI Emoji" font. You may not have a font installed that supports that character.

It's a thumbs down offa the Ipad menu.

I think I've used it in-forum before without issue.

*shrug*

henry quirk 01-31-2020 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

It's a crap article.

Trump isn't libertarian or Libertarian, he's a state capitalist.

The U.S. has had a managed economy for a looooong time, so: there ain't no libertarianism or Libertarianism for him to shy away from.

xoxoxoBruce 01-31-2020 11:42 PM

I can see why you would reject that article as the republican bent of business over people while often referred to as free market or libertarian doesn't square with your definition of libertarianism. What I got from it was a shift in federal policy regardless of what they call it.

Of course you realize your definition appeals to a small minority, and most people want the government and business to work together to make the nation as prosperous as possible, so the most people possible live well.

Especially me, it should be all about me, that's priority #1. :lol:

henry quirk 02-01-2020 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce
I can see why you would reject that article as the republican bent of business over people while often referred to as free market or libertarian doesn't square with your definition of libertarianism. What I got from it was a shift in federal policy regardless of what they call it.

If the writer had stuck to describin' those policy shifts, instead of labelling 'em, it woulda been a better piece.


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Originally Posted by Bruce
Of course you realize your definition appeals to a small minority, and most people want the government and business to work together to make the nation as prosperous as possible, so the most people possible live well.

Yeah, I'm an oddly shaped piece: I don't fit.


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Originally Posted by Bruce
Especially me, it should be all about me, that's priority #1. :lol:

:thumbsup:

Luce 02-03-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1045803)
It's a crap article.

Trump isn't libertarian or Libertarian, he's a state capitalist.

The U.S. has had a managed economy for a looooong time, so: there ain't no libertarianism or Libertarianism for him to shy away from.

I was gonna say, Trump has definitely veered away from the right's more libertarian approach to the economy. There is nothing libertarian about him. He is in fact the exact opposite of libertarian.

henry quirk 02-03-2020 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Luce (Post 1045928)
I was gonna say, Trump has definitely veered away from the right's more libertarian approach to the economy. There is nothing libertarian about him. He is in fact the exact opposite of libertarian.

No. If he were the exact opposite he'd be a commie.

Trump is a state-capitalist.

Not the greatest thing is the world to be but still way better than bein' a state-socialist.

Luce 02-03-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1045930)
No. If he were the exact opposite he'd be a commie.

Trump is a state-capitalist.

Not the greatest thing is the world to be but still way better than bein' a state-socialist.

There is no functional difference.

Example: China.

ETA: The dichotomy here isn't capitalism vs communism, it's planned economy vs decentralized.

henry quirk 02-03-2020 01:42 PM

"it's planned economy vs decentralized."

No. Here is the U.S. we don't have either.

We have a managed economy which is not the same as planned. And while not decentralized, the U.S. economy is by no means centralized (instead, it has centers of control, a whole whack of 'em).

Luce 02-03-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1045939)
"it's planned economy vs decentralized."

No. Here is the U.S. we don't have either.

We have a managed economy which is not the same as planned. And while not decentralized, the U.S. economy is by no means centralized (instead, it has centers of control, a whole whack of 'em).

Oh, I know. But the direction Trump is heading is a planned economy.


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