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rkzenrage 03-02-2007 05:18 PM

Those Bad Ol' Iraqis?
 
I'm curious, what exactly is it that is supposed to be so bad about the Iraqi people?
Saddam was our project gone bad, our fault, our mess... we did that to them, so we can't blame them for their idiot leader, not like us, we are fully to blame for our idiot leader.
Even then, they were no threat and complying with the sanctions and UN demands when we invaded.
They are not to blame for the influx of foreign terrorists, we took away all of their rights and arms, so they could not remove them if they wanted to... welcome to the American police state dream, coming to your home soon.
The Iraqi insurgency is exactly what we would do in their shoes with an occupying invader setting-up a puppet government voting to give away their natural resources and their right under international law.
They seem to be very nice and cool people caught in a crappy situation doing precisely what anyone else would do. Not bad people at all.
I'm just amazed that more are not fighting for their sovereignty and freedom.

piercehawkeye45 03-02-2007 05:54 PM

When we attacked Iraq, we forgot that cliche quote "be close to your friends, be even closer to your enemies".

I don't really know where the idea came, media is my guess, but for some reason America has this idea that the Iraqi people are sub-human and different from us.

It is Americas inability to look from someone else's perspective that allows us to keep others in extreme poverty and disallows us from seeing the intents of our "enemies", resulting in a loss for us since we do not understand their culture.

rkzenrage 03-02-2007 06:06 PM

Good point, by the same token, since when were the Iraqi people our enemy? Which is my point and I know you were not saying they were/are... the whole thing is a joke.

piercehawkeye45 03-02-2007 07:31 PM

The government needed to make the Iraq and their terrorists the enemy for justification of an attack. Enemy wouldn't be the best word for the Iraqi people, horrible word actually (my bad), but it still doesn't change the fact that we look down upon them and that we don't understand their way of life.

It is that damn white supremecy thing where we think we are better than everyone else and spread (shove down throat) what works for us while ignoring every bit of evidence that suggests that it won't work.

tw 03-02-2007 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 319734)
The government needed to make the Iraq and their terrorists ...

Their terrorists? America created the insurgency. There was no Iraqi terrorism before that. Those Iraqi terrrorist were a creation of American wacko extremists. America only got what it wanted when America created the insurgency in 2003.

piercehawkeye45 03-03-2007 12:40 PM

Yes, that is what acutally happened but that wasn't what was told on Fox News. The government needed to make a connection between Iraq and the terrorists and they needed to make them the enemy.

xoxoxoBruce 03-03-2007 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 319734)
The government needed to make the Iraq and their terrorists the enemy for justification of an attack. Enemy wouldn't be the best word for the Iraqi people, horrible word actually (my bad), but it still doesn't change the fact that we look down upon them and that we don't understand their way of life.

It is that damn white supremecy thing where we think we are better than everyone else and spread (shove down throat) what works for us while ignoring every bit of evidence that suggests that it won't work.

Who's we?:eyebrow:

rkzenrage 03-03-2007 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 319838)
Yes, that is what acutally happened but that wasn't what was told on Fox News. The government needed to make a connection between Iraq and the terrorists and they needed to make them the enemy.

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piercehawkeye45 03-04-2007 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 319888)
Who's we?:eyebrow:

America.

xoxoxoBruce 03-04-2007 10:46 PM

Bullshit. You have no evidence that America hates Iraqis. As a matter of fact you can't prove the administration hates Iraqis. They say they are trying to help Iraqis, it's just not working out well.
I don't hate Iraqis. My brother doesn't hate Iraqis. Most of the returning soldiers claim they like Iraqis.

The entire thread is based on a false premise. :tinfoil:

Aliantha 03-04-2007 10:56 PM

I'd be surprised to find that the average American thought the average Iraqi isn't scarey. Specially if they're wearing Muslim dress. Hasn't it been argued quite vehemently that someone wearing a burqa is 'suspicious' at the least?

xoxoxoBruce 03-04-2007 11:15 PM

They are only scary when they wear that shit here. Thinking they are scary is not hating them, either.
Women are suspicious, in a burka, more so.
And what do you know about the average American...there are none in the Cellar. We are all clearly above average. :p

Aliantha 03-05-2007 12:17 AM

uhuh...lol if you say so Bruce.

piercehawkeye45 03-05-2007 12:30 AM

I never said that we hate them, just that in order to justify an attack we need to make them the enemy and make it seem like we are going out of our way to help them because they are too primitive and barbaric to do it by themselves.

This racist way of thinking is why we are losing. We think we are better them so we underestimated them and their culture.

Hippikos 03-05-2007 03:33 AM

Maybe contempt is the right word?


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