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Happy Monkey 11-07-2006 11:11 PM

Democrats Take the House
 
And George Allen will probably have to request a recount.

We need a "Snoopy Dance" smilie.

Ibby 11-08-2006 01:14 AM

w00t!

Undertoad 11-08-2006 07:23 AM

Now that the balance of power in the Senate is one single seat, it is time to revisit how stupid the netroots kidz were to try to take Lieberman down. This is chess, think a few moves ahead, you morons.

Flint 11-08-2006 08:30 AM

In a truly shocking and unexpected development, Politicians Sweep Midterm Elections.

Elspode 11-08-2006 09:09 AM

I think that Americans have finally decided that the pendulum has swung far enough to the right, and now it is time to start it moving back to the middle.

What the hell is a netroot?

Undertoad 11-08-2006 10:22 AM

dailykos.com and moveon.org, roughly, Wikipedia has more.

Elspode 11-08-2006 10:32 AM

Ahh...so why did the netroots kidz want to scuttle Lieberman?

Undertoad 11-08-2006 10:35 AM

The stated reason is that he was pro-war and too close to the Rs. The real reason is that they experience a huge buildup of power, due to their communities and Iraq, and there *needed* to be a candidate they could use it on. They smelled blood in the water in the Spring, enraged by current events, and could not resist trying to take someone down, even though it was the primaries and a huge, gigantic, massive strategic blunder.

I see HM is active on the thread, surely he'll have a word on this.

yesman065 11-08-2006 10:37 AM

It is really sad that we cannot collectively agree to do anything without a party affiliation. I am a registered independent because I hate having what I say based upon my "party" How bout we all just decide who will do the best for our country as a whole and lose the us/they mentality. It is really counterproductive.

Flint 11-08-2006 10:39 AM

I agree, yesman065. It's a counter-productive caricature of reality.

Undertoad 11-08-2006 10:42 AM

BTW, patting myself on the back, I said all this before in post #9 in this thread and also noted the split Senate consideration.

Hippikos 11-08-2006 10:45 AM

The Arrogance of Power

THERE ARE TWO AMERICAS. One is the America of Lincoln and Adlai Stevenson; the other is the America of Teddy Roosevelt and the modern superpatriots. One is generous and humane, the other narrowly egotistical; one is self-critical, the other self-righteous; one is sensible, the other romantic; one is good-humored, the other solemn; one is inquiring, the other pontificating; one is moderate, the other filled with passionate intensity; one is judicious and the other arrogant in the use of great power.

The Two Americas ~Sen. J.William Fulbright.

Happy Monkey 11-08-2006 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode
Ahh...so why did the netroots kidz want to scuttle Lieberman?

He is pro war, voted for cloture on Alito, voted for Gonzalez, he wants to allow hospitals to refuse emergency contraception to rape victims (they can always find another hospital), regularly supports immunizing corporations from lawsuits, he's a big censorship fan, and he voted against habeas corpus in Gitmo. He's the go-to guy when Hannity wants to get a Democrat to criticize the Democrats.

There are lots of reasons.

Urbane Guerrilla 11-08-2006 12:41 PM

While I would have been happier to see the socialist-Democrats repudiated again, it's still politics as usual -- seldom far, in general, from the Republic's center. Everything else is mostly grandstanding on the one part and brand loyalty on the other.

The Democratic Representatives now have to behave in a responsible manner. They will have the responsibility, like it or not, of winning the war, and winning the war better than the Republicans.

I don't think the chances of that are good. The Democrats have no war-winning plan, but a near-gravitational, going-over-the-falls tropism for finding some substitute, any substitute, for victory. The Jackasses don't know there isn't one. Folly maintained as an article of faith since the Truman days is folly still.

Habeas corpus in GITMO? Who would you apply it to, Padilla? Habeas corpus is not appropriate for what are in effect POWs. No, HM, there's no reason to extend the rights of American citizens to not-American citizens; they are at war with us -- at war with you too, dummy. Remember, these guys are crazed anti-Americans: we must exhaust their enthusiasm for their sins. I have no problem with having these nuts die of old age in sunny, sunbaked even at night, Guantanamo. (I've been there. Lots of sun, lots of green iguanas.) This may take a while; they've all put on about twenty pounds since being incarcerated, so inhumanely do we treat them. One rather expansive fellow went from around 220 pounds to over 410, though I believe he's been dieting back down since that peak. Slow metabolism and endomorphic?

glatt 11-08-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla
[The Democrats] will have the responsibility, like it or not, of winning the war, and winning the war better than the Republicans.

I didn't realize the Democrats won the White House and are now the Commander in Chief.

They will have control over the purse strings. They can also investigate things like secret prisons. That's about it. They won't control the military.


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