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Lamplighter 10-10-2011 10:07 PM
I don't have a dog in this fight, but...
 
A thread for when candidates get a bit carried away ...

Quote:
Rick Perry is a desperate candidate who will say and do anything to prop up his sinking campaign,”
Romney communications director Gail Gitcho declared
after a new attack ad from TexasGov. Rick Perry’s presidential campaign
linked the former Massachusetts governor to the Democratic president on health care.

“In trying to deflect attention from his liberal in-state tuition policy for illegal immigrants,
he has resorted to repeated dishonesty, distortions, and fabrications about Mitt Romney,”
Gitcho said. “After a mere eight weeks on the trail, Governor Perry is poised to dethrone
his one-time boss Al Gore as the most prolific exaggerator and truth-fumbler in presidential campaign history.”
ETA: And besides that, he sucks eggs.

classicman 10-10-2011 10:41 PM
hehehe

Lamplighter 10-11-2011 08:33 AM
Quote:
Speaking live on CNN's "The Situation Room," Jeffress told CNN Political Correspondent Jim Acosta,
"I think Mitt Romney's a good, moral man, but I think those of us who are born-again followers of Christ
should always prefer a competent Christian to a competent non-Christian like Mitt Romney.
So that's why I'm enthusiastic about Rick Perry."
And besides all that, Romney belongs to: The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints

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Lamplighter 10-11-2011 08:51 AM
Herman Cain, in an interview with Wall Street Journal

Quote:
When asked about the #OccupyWallStreet movement:
I don't have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations
are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration.

Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks,
if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself!
It is not someone’s fault if they succeeded.

And besides all that: Cain added that the banks "did have something to do with the crisis in 2008,
but we're not in 2008, we're in 2011 ! Okay?"

Lamplighter 10-11-2011 01:00 PM
CBS News 10/8/11
Quote:
Rep. Ron Paul scored a decisive victory Saturday in a mock presidential election
at the Values Voter Summit, trouncing fellow Texan, Gov. Rick Perry,
but an organizer of the straw poll suggested ballot-stuffing may have skewed the results.

In a press conference following the announcement of the straw poll results
at the annual Washington gathering of social conservatives,
Family Research Council President Tony Perkins all but dismissed the results as irrelevant,
citing 600 people who registered Saturday morning and, he said, "left after Ron Paul spoke."
A total of 1,983 ballots were cast. "You do the math," Perkins said.
And besides all that:
Perkins said his organization did "everything to preserve the integrity of this straw poll,"
including denying campaigns from buying blocks of tickets,


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Lamplighter 10-11-2011 02:35 PM
The Associated Press

Quote:
More than half the members of the Texas House have signed on as co-authors
of a measure directing universities to allow concealed handguns.
The Senate passed a similar bill in 2009 and is expected to do so again.
Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who sometimes packs a pistol when he jogs,
has said he's in favor of the idea.
Besides all that:
Concealed handgun license holders are allowed to skip the metal detectors
that scan Capitol visitors for guns, knives and other contraband.
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Gravdigr 10-11-2011 04:11 PM
Yebbut, besides all that...

TheMercenary 10-11-2011 07:57 PM
Anyone BUT President Zero in 2012!

Lamplighter 10-11-2011 08:19 PM
ABC News Oct 10, 2011 6:53pm

Romney Says Occupy Wall Street Protests Are the ‘Wrong Way to Go’
Quote:
Last week, at a campaign stop in Florida, the former Massachusetts governor said
the demonstrations were “dangerous” and “class warfare.”
But when asked about his comments afterward, the GOP front-runner declined to elaborate,
saying “I’m just trying to get myself to occupy the White House.”

Romney and Cain are part of an ever-expanding circle of Republicans
who have spoken out against the protests, which have spread from lower Manhattan
to dozens of other cities across the country since they began last month.
And besides all that,
LA Times October 11, 2011, 12:00 p.m.

Mitt Romney sympathizes with Wall Street protesters
Quote:
“I look at what’s happening on Wall Street and my view is,
boy, I understand how those people feel,”
he said at a town hall event in Hopkinton, N.H.
“Because with median income down 10% ... with chronic unemployment,
long-term unemployment worse even than the Great Depression,
the people in this country are upset.

TheMercenary 10-11-2011 08:22 PM
Arrrfff Arrfff...

http://linksku.com/link/news/occupy-...n-a-police-car

TheMercenary 10-11-2011 08:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 762557)
Herman Cain, in an interview with Wall Street Journal
Anyone but President ZERO in 2012.:D

TheMercenary 10-11-2011 08:25 PM
"I don't have a dog in this fight", that right there is horse shit....

Lamplighter 10-11-2011 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 762790)
"I don't have a dog in this fight", that right there is horse shit....
There, there, Merc. You've said "Anyone but Obama"
So far I've only posted about some choices... my dog is not among them
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Lamplighter 10-11-2011 11:07 PM
Politico
By ROGER SIMON | 10/11/11 11:26 PM EDT

Quote:
GOP debate is wicked
The Republican race has turned into “The Wizard of Oz.”
Rick Perry wants a brain.
Mitt Romney wants a heart.
And any number of candidates are Dorothy,
realizing there is no place like home and they should have stayed there.

Herman Cain is the Cowardly Lion, seeking courage.
He needs the courage to face the fact he is never going to be the Republican nominee
no matter how well he does in the polls.
He needs the courage to settle for something far better than the presidency: His own show on Fox.

They all march down the yellow brick road ...

“Take 9-9-9 and turn it upside down,” Bachmann said. “The devil is in the details.”

Rick Santorum said at one point: “I want to go to war with China.”
He was talking about an economic war. I think.
And besides all that:
Quote:
Dorothy: “How do you talk if you don’t have a brain?”
Scarecrow: “Well, some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don’t they?”

classicman 10-11-2011 11:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 762479)
I don't have a dog in this fight, but...
...he'll be fighting the one that wins, so I want the easiest opponent.

Is there really anyone other than Romney?

Lamplighter 10-12-2011 01:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman (Post 762860)
...he'll be fighting the one that wins, so I want the easiest opponent.

Is there really anyone other than Romney?
It looks that way - follow the $

But it could be a 3-way race, too... that might be a giggle
Maybe even 4-way if the OWS were to get aroused

ZenGum 10-12-2011 02:45 AM
Merc, are you sleep deprived? Your recent posts are more irrational than usual.

glatt 10-12-2011 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 762881)
Merc, are you sleep deprived?
I was thinking the same thing.

classicman 10-12-2011 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 762873)
It looks that way - follow the $

But it could be a 3-way race, too... that might be a giggle
Maybe even 4-way if the OWS were to get aroused
Again - all that leads to you dog winning. jus sayin.
UNLESS Hillary or another D got into the race. That would be interesting.

Lamplighter 10-12-2011 11:05 AM
Can't wait to start a thread when my dog joins a bicannial fight.

classicman 10-12-2011 11:12 AM
You see any of them beating O, at this point?

Lamplighter 10-12-2011 11:16 AM
Now you're rushing things...

classicman 10-12-2011 11:21 AM
nah.. just asking. Until 2-3 months ago I thought no way. He is gonna cruise right through this. Now... I'm not a certain.

ZenGum 10-12-2011 07:32 PM
If the Rs had one good candidate who would appeal to the American Middle (wihle still being acceptable to the extreme Rs, and there is the catch) Obama would be in for a heck of a fight.

Alas, the only R who fits that description (that I can see) is Mitch Mitchel, and he has already ruled it out (and if he changes that, he loses his appeal). The rest range from C minus to F.

Lamplighter 10-12-2011 08:41 PM
LA Times
Wednesday, Oct. 12, 2011
6:15 p.m. PDT
Quote:
Herman Cain has the spotlight, but for how long?

The candidate who has risen to the top of the GOP presidential field
is now in greater demand, and he insists he is in the race for the long haul.

Some voters and analysts remain skeptical.
With his poll numbers surging and opponents scrambling to stop him,
the underfunded and understaffed Cain is no longer just a fringe candidate
with a catchy plan for the economy.

Instead he lifted off on his debate performances and specifically his nonstop touting
of the 9-9-9 plan, which would scrap the current federal tax code and
replace it with a 9% tax on corporate and personal income and a 9% national sales tax.
(He says it would simplify a tax system that Americans abhor.
His rivals say it's a simplistic nonstarter that would put his party
on record as supporting a new tax.)
And besides all that:
The 9-9-9 plan totally eliminates Social Security and Medicare
--- completely - all of it - no more - so when you pass 65 you're on own.


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classicman 10-12-2011 08:57 PM
Cain isn't going anywhere. His 15 minutes are about up.
He is basically on a book selling tour. I wish him well.

Heck post more about Paul, Bachmann & Huntsman. Why you only pickin' on Cain? :eyebrow:

Now about that Fast & Furious ... Solyndra ... murder of an American citizen ...
(channeling Merc)

Lamplighter 10-12-2011 09:29 PM
This post about Cain came because he is ahead of Romney in the polls.
Posts in this thread were:

First - Perry
Second - Romney
Third - Cain
Fourth - Paul
Fifth - Perry
Sixth - Romney
Seventh - All the R's, including Bachman and Santorum
Eighth - Cain

And besides all that:
At the 6.5 mark, I added Merc !

I'm open to suggestions... or feel free to join in
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classicman 10-12-2011 10:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 763222)
If the Rs had one good candidate who would appeal to the American Middle (while still being acceptable to the extreme Rs, and there is the catch) Obama would be in for a heck of a fight.
Nah the extremists on both sides vote against the other team more so than for their own.

classicman 10-12-2011 10:31 PM
NBC News/Wall St.............10/6 - 10/10...Cain +4
Reuters/Ipsos...................10/6 - 10/10....Romney +4
PPP..................................10/7 - 10/10....Cain +8
WP/Bloomberg/PSRAI.......10/6 - 10/9......Romney +8
Gallup...............................10/3 - 10/7.....Romney +2
ABC News/Wash Po...........9/29 - 10/2....Romney +8
Quinnipiac Un.....................9/27 - 10/3....Romney +4
meh. Aside from the blatant two (D) polls, Romney is still in the lead.
And Romney is in a statistical tie with O at 45% each.

BigV 10-12-2011 10:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 763222)
If the Rs had one good candidate who would appeal to the American Middle (wihle still being acceptable to the extreme Rs, and there is the catch) Obama would be in for a heck of a fight.

Alas, the only R who fits that description (that I can see) is Mitch Mitchel, and he has already ruled it out (and if he changes that, he loses his appeal). The rest range from C minus to F.
Look up John Huntsman.

classicman 10-12-2011 10:55 PM
Huntsman is going to be a very valuable asset within an administration, but he has ZERO charisma. He just cannot get any traction.

TheMercenary 10-14-2011 06:50 AM
Unfortunately, Huntsman will not be on the final ticket. I think he would have been a reasonable choice.

Lamplighter 10-14-2011 09:56 AM
International Business Times
September 28, 2011 8:19 AM EDT
By Maggie Astor

Herman Cain for President: What Are His Positions?
Quote:
Taxes:
Cain calls his tax proposals the "999 plan,"
because it would create three flat taxes at a rate of 9 percent.

The first would be a 9 percent business tax,
which would apply to a business's gross income minus investments,
dividends paid to shareholders and purchases from other businesses.

The second would be a 9 percent individual tax on gross income minus charitable contributions.

The third would be a 9 percent national sales tax,
which would pave the way to eventually transition entirely to the "fair tax,"
or a tax on spending rather than income.
This would mean a flat tax rate for everyone, regardless of income,
and it would eliminate payroll taxes and taxes on capital gains.


Entitlement programs:

Entitlement programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid should be eliminated
so that "states, cities, churches, charities and businesses" can
take over the task of helping the elderly, poor and disabled.
Federal programs are inherently problematic because they create a sense of entitlement
to government support and give people an incentive to be dependent.
Welfare takes away individuals' freedom and independence,
but eliminating entitlement programs would empower people.
<snip>
And besides all that: Even the Repubicans tax analyst doesn't like Cain's 999 plan

Miami Herald
By Marc Caputo, 
Posted: Oct 14, 2011 09:00 AM

Business groups blast Cain's 9-9-9 plan as job killer
Quote:
Called a job killer at worst or a detail-free slogan at best,
Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan is getting tepid-to-awful reviews
from some of the nation's most-influential business groups.

The National Retail Federation strongly opposes the Republican presidential candidate's plan
because it would institute a first-ever national sales tax of 9 percent that,
the federation says, will dampen consumer spending.

"This will hurt demand and slow the economic recovery," the federation's tax policy expert,
Rachelle Bernstein, said. "You definitely do not want to do this."
<snip>

Lamplighter 10-14-2011 10:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman (Post 763292)
Huntsman is going to be a very valuable asset within an administration,
but he has ZERO charisma. He just cannot get any traction.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 763635)
Unfortunately, Huntsman will not be on the final ticket.
I think he would have been a reasonable choice.
I too am more favorably impressed by Huntsman than by any of the other R's.

Geeeezzzz --- a :rainbo: :rainbo: :rainbo: of Dwellars !

But I've been scanning the news looking for what Huntsman is saying or doing in his campaign.
Most articles that even mention him deal with the R-candidates' debate in Nevada, which he skipped.

I found one article that talked about Huntsman, Perry, and Romney
being more (statistically) likely to achieve the presidency because they are former governors...
that way they no longer have to explain current problems in their state

Has anyone seen substantive articles about Huntsman or his campaign ?

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classicman 10-14-2011 12:08 PM
Aside from seeing him speak and his past, he has been completely ignored by the media - all of it.

Lamplighter 10-14-2011 07:09 PM
CNN is reporting today his campaign is going broke.
Quote:
(CNN) - Jon Huntsman's presidential campaign is verging on broke
after burning through more than $4 million since the former Utah governor
entered the race for the Republican nomination in June.

The Huntsman campaign, which re-trenched last month by laying off staff
and moving its national quarters to the must-win primary state of New Hampshire,
finished the third fund-raising quarter in September with just
$327,000 in the bank and $890,000 in debt.
And besides all that:
David Koch is steping in to run for President, with Cain as his VP.
You guess the name of their candidacy.

Groan :yelsick: Meh, I heard it on the radio.

Griff 10-14-2011 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman (Post 763784)
Aside from seeing him speak and his past, he has been completely ignored by the media - all of it.
Could it be that he isn't radical enough for the right wing media and is too electable for the left wing media?.. I think he'd beat Obama head to head but the GOP voters are too far around the bend to pick a winner.

Lamplighter 10-14-2011 08:40 PM
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Now a another bit about Perry...
NY Times
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.
Published: October 14, 2011

Perry Presents a Jobs and Energy Proposal With an Oil and Gas Industry Sound
Quote:
WEST MIFFLIN, Pa. —
Gov. Rick Perry of Texas released a long-promised jobs and energy proposal
Friday that resembles a wish list for the oil and gas industry, ...<snip>

His energy plan has four parts:
-use executive decrees to allow new or additional drilling in Alaska,
....the Gulf of Mexico, and federal lands in the West;
-roll back or weaken environmental regulations;
-dismantle the E.P.A. and replace it with a “scaled-down agency”;
- and reshape subsidies and tax credits for different parts of the energy industry,
in what appears would be a move away from renewable energy.
<snip>

While he promoted the potential of natural gas in the giant rock formation
known as the Marcellus Shaleto create a quarter-million new jobs,
some experts noted that federal researchers recently cut estimates
of undiscovered and technically recoverable gas in the shale formation
by almost 80 percent — calling into question the reliability of any long-range
predictions about the amount of energy available for extraction there.
<snip>
But critics said the plan — much of which tracks a recent
proposal by an oil industry trade group — would make little headway toward either goal,
and they feared that it would imperil drinking water supplies and hurt the environment.
And besides all that:
[Perry] made questionable assertions, including one —
that the E.P.A. had never found a case of unsafe hydraulic fracturing of natural gas —
that was plainly false

Environmental Working Group
August 3, 2011
Quote:
EPA Traced Pollution of Underground Water Supply to Hydraulic Fracturing
The EPA concluded in a 1987 report to Congress that the process contaminated
Parsons' water well with fracturing fluid.
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Lamplighter 10-15-2011 10:31 AM
BostonGlobe.com
By Charles Babington
Associated Press / October 15, 2011

Romney's rise challenges tea party's clout in GOP
Quote:
WASHINGTON
Mitt Romney's early success in the Republican presidential race
is challenging the tea party's clout.
Will it continue to pull the GOP sharply right? Will it slowly fade?
Or merge with mainstream Republican elements
in a nod to pragmatism, something it's hardly known for?

On the surface, Romney's strength seems at odds with the tea party's
fiery success in ousting Republicans seen as compromisers,
and in making the House GOP caucus more ideological,
even when its leaders plead for flexibility.

Romney defends the government's 2008 bank bailouts,
plus the mandated health insurance he initiated as Massachusetts governor.
He says he can work with "good Democrats."
Although he later changed, Romney once supported abortion rights,
gun control and gay rights.

These positions run counter to the beliefs and goals of many
tea party activists scattered throughout the country.
Yet Romney is faring better in polls, fundraising and debates
than are contenders with stronger tea party credentials,
including Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry.
<snip>
And besides all that:
The worst thing you can find about Romney is that when traveling
he puts his dog on the top of the car.
The nest worst thing is that he is like a stone --- in stone soup.

Lamplighter 10-16-2011 11:57 AM
Herman Cain is making the news circuits and being asked about his campaign finances and support.
Cain has not yet mentioned the Koch brothers or Americans for Prosperity.
Here's some background...
Washington Post
By Associated Press, Sunday, October*16, 6:54*AM

Herman Cain’s deep ties to Koch brothers key to campaign
Quote:
IOWA CITY, Iowa — Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain has cast himself as the outsider,
the pizza magnate with real-world experience who will bring fresh ideas to the nation’s capital.
But Cain’s economic ideas, support and organization have close ties to two billionaire brothers
who bankroll right-leaning causes through their group Americans for Prosperity.

Cain’s campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity,
or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch,
which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending.
Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his “9-9-9” plan
to rewrite the nation’s tax code
And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans
and besides all that:
When asked on Meet The Press for a difference between himself and Romney, Cain responded:
"... He's a Wall Street candidate, I'm more of a Main Street candidate."

Cain was on the Board of Directors from 1992,
and was Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank from 1995 to 1996.
He later opposed a call for an audit of the Fed, which he now denies
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classicman 10-16-2011 12:28 PM
Cain is a painful distraction. I don't see him as a viable candidate at all.
He sure seems to be a media created sensation all because of a catch-phrase.
I wonder why they are giving him so much attention.

Lamplighter 10-16-2011 03:48 PM
Media coverage so far is superficial, only the 999 catch phase for taxes,
but nothing about the implications or Cain's longer visions.
Just the sort of things that get votes.

ZenGum 10-16-2011 06:57 PM
I've seen a little about Huntsman now. Best R I've seen yet in the current smorgasbord. Apart from being named after a spider, his main problem is the catch-22 of current republican party machinations, to wit:

Anyone centrist enough to be a plausible candidate in the general election is not extreme enough to get endorsed by the party.

Griff 10-16-2011 07:56 PM
There's an op ed in the NY Times calling his candidacy essentially over, just the wrong time for sensible...

classicman 10-16-2011 10:04 PM
That really suxors. I think he'd be a great VP choice.
To me, it looks like Romney will get the nod.
Romney/Huntsman would be interesting, to say the least.

ZenGum 10-16-2011 10:46 PM
[Fantasy] Mitchell/Huntsman [/Ticket]

Lamplighter 10-17-2011 08:50 AM
Sorry, Google is not being of any help to me right now

Z or anyone... what is Mitchell's 1st name, or who is s/he ?

ZenGum 10-17-2011 09:48 PM
Mitch Mitchell, current governor of New Jersey, straight talking, competent, very overweight, has ruled out running for president in 2012.

Lamplighter 10-17-2011 11:10 PM
Z, something is wrong here.
Google doesn't show anything for a "Mitch Mitchell", except it comes closest to Mitch McConnel, (Republican -Majority Leader in Senate) whose name is Mitchell.

Chris Christie does fit your description, and is current Gov of NJ.

ZenGum 10-18-2011 01:13 AM
blinks ....


Erm, maybe that really was a fantasy, then ...


Merkins, anyone, help?

DanaC 10-18-2011 02:32 AM
I'm sure I saw something about him on The Daily Show. He seemed a really credible character.

Clodfobble 10-18-2011 08:42 AM
I think you mean Chris Christie.

There's also Mitch Daniels, but he doesn't fit the description very well.

infinite monkey 10-18-2011 08:45 AM
Bob Bobster?

Mark Markham?

Jeff Jefferson?

;)

I saw a bumper sticker, amongst some 'don't tread on me' and other stickers of that ilk, that read: Palin and Bachmann: the ultimate dream team.

OMG! Srsly?

Lamplighter 10-18-2011 08:59 AM
TheCellar really is an reflection of the outside world.
We're just like the Repubicans... still searching for that perfect candidate ;)
I lol at the idea that he only exists on the Daily Show.


Sorry Z, I'm teasing.
If it was Chris Christie, I can agree, he can made a good impression,
and he really is rotund.

DanaC 10-18-2011 10:17 AM
Chris Christie! That was the one that was shown on Daily Show. The GOP just wasn't taking no for an answer.

Daily Show ran a segment called "No Means No" because they keep claiming things like 'Christie has definately left the door open'...say what? He sounded pretty frakking clear in that press conference ya just showed.

I liked him. He seemed a sensible and dare I say it even approaching, well, a normal human being?

classicman 10-18-2011 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 764555)
Mitch Mitchell, current governor of New Jersey, straight talking, competent, very overweight, has ruled out running for president in 2012.
You are definitely referring to Chris Christie here.
The only Mitchell I see running for president is Gay Mitchell and he is a Presidential Candidate in Ireland.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 764737)
Chris Christie!
I liked him. He seemed a sensible and dare I say it even approaching, well, a normal human being?
:eek: I cannot believe you would like him.

DanaC 10-18-2011 11:20 AM
Why not?

footfootfoot 10-18-2011 12:06 PM
I don't have a dog in this fight, but...

Sky's mom and neighbor do.

classicman 10-18-2011 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 764773)
Why not?
His views are VERY conservative relative to yours.

DanaC 10-18-2011 02:53 PM
*chuckles*

Well, duh. He's a Republican.

I don;t agree with his political views (from the bits I've read) on a lot of stuff. There are things in his record that i find repellent (a lot of the stuff around his work as a lobbyist, freezes on public housing etc) but then there's a lot that's admirable too.

I think mostly I'd just find him refreshingly sensible for a republican candidate. Which is fucking bizarre really. Because time was it was the republicans you looked to for sensible, to the point of slightly dull, men who seemed as trustworthy with your money as the bankers did (remember that? Whn bankers were a byword for respectability and trustworthiness? :P)

These days, the Republican race is like a freak show. Choose between out of touch, wealthy to the point of being alien, incredibly dull men (mostly) who've been forced to adopt crazy ass policy soundbites to make themselves show up on the fucking screen, or crazy-ass women (mostly) who seem to be sharing a collective brain cell when it comes to any kind of detailed understanding of anything (including their own constitution) but look good hoisting a gun.

Christie seems a normal person. I don;t mean he seems like one of the guys, someone I cuold see myself having a drink with...but just a normal, intelligent, human who is pretty effective at his job.


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