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Pete Zicato 03-23-2012 08:58 AM

Should you believe in climate change?
 
"This is very hard for scientists to understand. The scientific evidence that humanity is having an effect on the climate is overwhelming and increasing every year. Yet public perception of this is confused."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-believe-in-it

footfootfoot 03-23-2012 09:29 AM

You don't have to believe in the ocean, but if you jump in it, you're going to get wet.

infinite monkey 03-23-2012 09:38 AM

I believe for every drop of rain that falls...

what foot said.

tw 03-23-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 803172)
I believe for every drop of rain that falls...

An extremist talk show host recently interviewed an MBA who counts raindrops. By reporting those counts on his spread sheets, he proved global cooling is now happening.

You too can count rain drops to prove scientists are wrong. As Costello said, "What do they know."

infinite monkey 03-23-2012 12:46 PM

:lol:

Or as Kim Basinger once infamously said: Neil Simon? What does he know about comedy?"

infinite monkey 03-23-2012 12:47 PM

Or you can just walk between the raindrops.


Sundae 03-23-2012 01:35 PM

Quote:

a number of possible contributory factors: the move from being a science issue to a political issue may have introduced more distrust
This is one of the things I find most shocking.
I expect that in 50-100 years plus, those deriding the facts of climate change will look at ridiculous as the opponents of Darwin.

Oh, wait.
There are nutjobs out there who don't accept evolution to the extent they will not allow it to be taught to children. Still, at least they never qualify medically, due to their inability to grasp facts.

Oh, wait.

Sigh.

wolf 03-23-2012 08:03 PM

I'm sorry, I've devoted my time to believing in Unicorns, Dragons, and Fairies. Don't have room for Climate Change.

HungLikeJesus 03-23-2012 08:23 PM

Really? I think the dragons are mostly to blame.

regular.joe 03-23-2012 08:31 PM

It is amazing that the evidence for climate change and mans impact on the climate is overwhelming, yet there seems to be people who can argue the fact. I work with lots of guys who are staunch republicans and will argue that climate change is on a natural curve and mans impact is minimal.

I have a new project for myself though, I want to find out how many tons of waste products are put into the atmosphere by man made stuff, autos, planes, factories, homes etc...and put that into terms of how many volcanoes would have to erupt per week to match that output per week.

HungLikeJesus 03-23-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 803375)
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I have a new project for myself though, I want to find out how many tons of waste products are put into the atmosphere by man made stuff, autos, planes, factories, homes etc...and put that into terms of how many volcanoes would have to erupt per week to match that output per week.

For electrical generation in the US, you can start with EPA's eGrid.

Of course, that's a limited sub-set of all the man-made emissions from all sources, and from around the world.

xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2012 01:53 AM

A good article on the combined effect of climate change and peak oil.

glatt 03-24-2012 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 803375)
I have a new project for myself though, I want to find out how many tons of waste products are put into the atmosphere by man made stuff, autos, planes, factories, homes etc...and put that into terms of how many volcanoes would have to erupt per week to match that output per week.

I tried doing this myself a few years ago and posted the results here in the Cellar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt
volcanoes produce approximately 200 million tonnes of CO2 per year, while mankind produces about 26.8 billion tonnes (in 2003.) Even the largest eruption in recent times, Pinatubo in the Philippines, produced between 42 and 234 million tons of CO2. (1, 2) so even that year, volcanoes didn't come anywhere near producing the CO2 that mankind did.


Griff 03-24-2012 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 803155)
"This is very hard for scientists to understand. The scientific evidence that humanity is having an effect on the climate is overwhelming and increasing every year. Yet public perception of this is confused."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-believe-in-it

I believe it now, but the political argument was being forcefully made well before the evidence was in by folks with a preference for command economies. That is what caused the perception that it wasn't good science and what needs to be overcome now.

HungLikeJesus 03-24-2012 08:52 AM

I think part of the problem is that they initially used the term global warming, instead of climate change.


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