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Undertoad 12-15-2005 08:25 PM

12/15/2005: Grief of a soldier's wife
 
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xoB sent along this Time.com photo essay on iraq war families dealing with loss, and two of the shots put a tear in my eye... this one, which is fourth of ten, and the one that follows it in the series at that link. You should go there, because Time presents the images better than I do.

You can take it any way you like, but the grief I feel, I want to be free of the politics of it all. For once, it's not to multiply by it shouldn't have to be like this, or to divide by on such an honorable mission. It is the same grief no matter why it happened, no matter whose fault is behind the decisions. Because the soldier doesn't make those decisions, s/he only lives and sometimes dies working on the mission given. In service that doesn't change with the party in power.

xoxoxoBruce 12-15-2005 08:46 PM

I've seen a couple of articles/programs about men like Major Beck and the impossible task they do. I can't imagine having to do that job. :cry:

richlevy 12-15-2005 08:49 PM

I wish I could be free of the politics of it. But is it really wrong to ask why this is necessary? Can we really say that if they had not died we would have been less safe? I keep on remembering the phrase 'To support and defend the Constitution'. Is that a definition of this conflict?

This doesn't make me want to honor their sacrifice any less. It just means that I have my duty as a citizen, the duty they swore to uphold.

What's really sad is that ten or even five years from now, Congress will find some way to shortchange the veterans, the widows, and their families when everyone stops paying attention.

I'm proud of the job they did, ashamed of the circumstances that put them there, and sad for their families and friends.

BigV 12-15-2005 09:15 PM

No, richlevy, it's not wrong to ask why this is necessary. But please take that kind of talk elsewhere. In keeping with the intimate image, and Undertoad's remarks, your freedom of speech is intact, but inappropriate in this context.

I have lost loved ones. My dad drew his last breath as I held his hand and watched his face dissolved in a sheen of tears. The questions as to the decisions about his care and the competency of the doctors attending to him were not invalid, only inappropriate.

There is a time and place for such talk. Just not here, not now. You understand, I'm sure.

capnhowdy 12-15-2005 09:42 PM

I pledge allegiance to the flag
and to the republic for which it stands........
...a moment of silence here...
I can't go there.
not again
a service to my country whose majority is unappreciative.....
I won't delve, other than to say......
"God bless the USA" :us:

richlevy 12-15-2005 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV
There is a time and place for such talk. Just not here, not now. You understand, I'm sure.

Some people, when confronted with great sadness, can say, "What a pity".
Other people, when confronted with great sadness, can say, "Why is this happening, and what can I do to make it stop".

I hope you understand.

I appreciate the guys like Major Beck, who do what they can in an impossible situation. I just don't think it's enough.

Beestie 12-15-2005 10:15 PM

I hope this war produces something that the survivors of those who gave their lives to build it can take pride in. At this point, we just don't know.

I hope Bush looks at these photos every day. If only to drive home the real cost of this war. Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling that he feels no cost is too great.

zippyt 12-15-2005 10:34 PM

According to the news 60% of the folks over there got to vote for their OWN gubment , it MAY decline into the typical secular hairball ,
BUT ( and this is a BIG BUT ) we helped give THEM the chance to make their own choices, what they do with them is their own fault and responsibility .

I mourn the loss of fellow comrads trying to give these folks the RIGHT TO CHOOSE , I hope they don't disshoner the losses we have incured on their behalf .

beavis 12-15-2005 11:42 PM

that was a gut wrenching series of photos. i can't imagine the pain...

Trilby 12-16-2005 03:58 AM

Why did I look?

crying.

Kitsune 12-16-2005 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad
Because the soldier doesn't make those decisions, s/he only lives and sometimes dies working on the mission given. In service that doesn't change with the party in power.

I initially had a tough time removing the political arguments from my thoughts while reviewing the slideshow, but this statement ended up doing it for me and, I think, is the only statement that could.

...and then, on reading it again, only served to amplify what it had banished.

Damn. Regardless of how you look at it, the whole thing is just so sad.

Elspode 12-16-2005 01:17 PM

For some strange reason, the politics of this never occurred to me as I was looking at the essay. All I could see was that poor woman's pain, and that Major Beck's job had to be just about the worst job in the entire universe.

Cochese 12-16-2005 02:07 PM

You were not kidding. By picture four I was misty. I would love for this thread to become the most frequented daily pic on the site.

Kitsune 12-16-2005 03:18 PM

2 Attachment(s)
<a href="http://www.todaysmilitary.com/">I couldn't even begin to imagine</a>.

Griff 12-16-2005 04:30 PM

Jesus, I love the Marines. Good people.


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