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Griff 08-18-2003 08:08 AM

NPR opposing direct democracy
 
Morning Edition had an lovely interview interview this morning. They had a discussion with a disgruntled lobbyist/ex-legislator who wants to get rid of the referrendum process because "special interests" are hijacking the process. He was never challenged by the interviewer. I guess democracy is great until Democrats start losing jobs. Yes, the referrendum process often has stupid irrational outcomes but I wouldn't say our normal processes are much more rational and are certainly less responsive. The defense of Davis ignores the fact that he is a much resented machine politican. My brother is a union official and a Green Party member who was essentially coerced into helping him get re-elected, I suspect he's happy to see the evil bugger get his.

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elSicomoro 08-18-2003 09:21 AM

Easy Griff...I listened to the same interview, and I don't think he nor NPR were necessarily Democratic propagandists.

The United States is a republic, not a true democracy. If we were a true democracy, nothing would ever get done.

Maybe because I'm not from California, I don't get it. But it seems like the anger towards him is a bit misdirected, i.e. they're blaming the wrong guy.

And IMO, the recall process in California is too easy to get going. While I'm all for "for the people, by the people," tougher standards are needed for a recall there.

hermit22 08-18-2003 12:55 PM

The problem with the referendum process is that the wrong kinds of things become law - because the general mass doesn't pay attention to all the details. The reason they elect politicians is so that they can do that kind of legwork.

As an example, in California, referendums pretty much banned all new taxes unless they were approved by voters, yet scores of other initiatives have passed that require that a certain percentage of the state's budget be given to a specific cause - afterschool programs, for example. It makes balancing the budget impossible - you can't really raise revenue, and there's a lot of stuff you simply can't cut.

This isn't to say that the idea of giving freedom to the people is a bad thing, just that it's problematic, and should be watched closely. Read The Federalist Papers for a more nuanced approach. Remember, originally, the people didn't even elect their senators - it was the electoral college.

Griff 08-18-2003 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hermit22
Read The Federalist Papers for a more nuanced approach.
:) My sympathies were always with the anti-federalists. 13 weak and independent states... it was a nice dream while it lasted. In all honesty, I'm not much of a democrat, prefering government play a minimal role. To me, the interesting thing is that NPR, which really is the voice of the establishment Dems, would verbalize its self interest so openly, since despite its quality, state funding for it would, sensibly, be eliminated under a bare-bones budget process. *ouch* that was quite a sentance.

warch 08-18-2003 03:01 PM

yeah, who wants quality anyway?

xoxoxoBruce 08-18-2003 04:28 PM

I do but NPR always sounds like it comes from god forsaken place like.....like.....Lake Wobegon.:D

Cedar 08-18-2003 05:13 PM

No NPR in Prague, just the BBC
 
At least NPR is now mostly supporting itself having weaned itself from the government dole. Here in Europe we Anglophiles are subjected to the whims of the British Broadcasting Corporation. The BBC gets its funding from a manditory annual tax on all tv sets in Britain in the amount of $100 or so. They are so flush with money that they employ over 20,000 people. What most of these people do to earn their money is beyond me. In all fairness, the BBC does produce some good programming but at an unnecessary high cost. :(

dave 08-19-2003 06:25 AM

Holy <b>smokes</b> that is a big tax.

This is a good time to start a capitalism vs socialism debate, isn't it? :)

xoxoxoBruce 08-19-2003 08:43 AM

Actually it's more like$180 per year.

dave 08-19-2003 09:08 AM

Holy <b>smokes</b> that is a bigger tax.

warch 08-19-2003 12:06 PM

You know, "holy smokes" is a great saying. much more interesting than "holy cow." But then there are all the Robin spin offs, great potential. "holy doublecross Batman." "holy watertight Batman" "holy beefsteak tomato Batman..."

xoxoxoBruce 08-19-2003 12:51 PM

Just what have you been smoking?:D

Griff 08-19-2003 02:19 PM

Prolly falafel.

warch 08-19-2003 02:53 PM

Holy burnt falafel Griffman!

Cedar 08-20-2003 12:05 AM

$180 is probably the nearer figure. I confess that I was lazy and didn't look the exact amount up when I wrote the blurb. An astounding and I think outrageous amount, nevertheless.


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