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Let's talk about Israel and Palestine...

Clip won't work in UK

They haven't posted it to their UK site yet, either.

Were you able to finally look at that video?

There's also this: http://thebea.st/1tuG6dZ

My friend Maya (a Brooklyn-born Jew that now lives in Ontario) wrote this to accompany that Daily Beast article I posted...her words on this subject pretty much reflect my thoughts on Israel and Palestine...except I'm not Jewish:

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I love Jon Stewart. I don't talk about Israel, because I always end up crying. There's no right answer and it's all so effed up. Hamas uses human shields and appropriates supplies meant for civilian infrastructure, and Israel ghettoises the Gazans and bombs them. It's very difficult to be Jewish and not approve of Israel, so please, don't tell me who is right and who is wrong. I've spent 20 years thinking about the situation all I am is disgusted by everyone. No matter what, though, the Gazans - the innocent civilians, the disproportionate number of children - have it worse. They are trapped on every side, and by the very group that pretends to fight for them.

Not yet, but I will catch up on Daily Show soon:)

Excellent article!

Well we wouldn't have this problem if Joshua had taken care of things like he should have (cherem). Maybe it is time for another Joshua??

Lessons from the Spanish Inquisition apply.

Kill them all. God will know his own. Religion makes things so much easier to understand.

Well, ISIS destroyed Jonah's grave today, so...maybe a whale can handle things?

i've seen the shrine before. i don't understand why isis would destroy a muslim holy site. maybe they are practicing cherem. once complete, it would leave everyone like minded

Here's what I've learned.

After WWI, the UN sanctioned British mandate made two states: Transjordan Palestine to the east of the Jordan River, for the Arabs, now called Jordan, and The Jewish Homeland, west of the Jordan River. In the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Jordan occupied The West Bank, annexing it in 1950 (interestingly a move that was condemned by the Arab League), and Egypt occupied The Gaza Strip. Leading up to the war wealthy Arab Palestinians fled the Jewish Homeland. After Israel declared itself a state, almost 400,000 Arab Palestinians fled or were forced out. These refugees ended up in Gaza or the West Bank. Egypt purposely did not annex Gaza, leaving it a kind of non-entity.

In the 1967 Six Day War, Israel occupied a large amount of it's neighbors' territory. After the war Israel returned most of the land, but Gaza and the West Bank were not part of the returned land.

The argument that Israel is occupying "Palestinian land" is wrong. Gaza and the West Bank were originally part of the Jewish Mandate, which Israel took back in 1967.

I believe Israel would cease operations if Hamas stopped firing rockets into Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...gal_instrument)

There's more to it though, between WW1 and 1947.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Partition_Plan

Realistically, I think both sides are going to have to make sacrifices, if lasting peace is to occur: Israel will have to withdraw from the West Bank, Hamas will need to strongly modify their stance, the Palestinian people will have to change their tactics to nonviolence and the Arab World will have to recognize the right of Israel to exist.

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Originally Posted by elSicomoro (Post 905835)

...and the Arab World will have to recognize the right of Israel to exist.

And maybe their obligation to the Arab Palestinians