The Cellar - May 30, 2008: Uncontacted Indigenous People

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*chuckles* nice idea.

How do any of us know what their culture has knowledge of or not? We've only seen a couple of pictures. Despite all of our previous encounters with primitive civilizations, we definitely do not know about this one. They may have infant mortality rates better than ours.

That's right, they might. Someone should go ask them about that.

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Then again, we have no idea of their infant mortality rate...if "think of the children" is a viable argument. Perhaps having lived outside of what we know to be society has afforded them immunities and benefits of which we could never dream.

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Originally Posted by spudcon (Post 459176)

How do any of us know what their culture has knowledge of or not? We've only seen a couple of pictures. Despite all of our previous encounters with primitive civilizations, we definitely do not know about this one. They may have infant mortality rates better than ours.

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That's right, they might. Someone should go ask them about that

Yeah.

I'd love to know how we could possibly improve their infant mortality rate given their remote location and lack of anything resembling money.

I know that's already been said, but worth reiterating for those who believe that not initiating contact makes us King Herod.

I don't know what the answer is, I just think we're presumptuous to think we know about their life spans, medicines etc.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 458117)

I don't know about you, but that blows my mind, that there are people still so completely (and deliberately) isolated from the rest of humanity.

This is a departure from the ongoing coversation...but I wonder if it isn't accidental that we've never seen them before, and they aim their arrows at us when we show up.

Maybe their ancestors encountered Europeans, long ago, and barely survived the encounter, only to hide deep, deep within the jungle and teach their children and their children's children: "BE VERY AFRAID OF THE WHITE INVADER. HE WILL ENSLAVE YOU, STEAL YOUR LAND, RAPE YOUR WOMEN, AND YOU WILL DROP DEAD FROM HORRIBLE ILLNESS."

That might be a really convincing precedent for them not to trust outsiders; possibly difficult to overcome long enough to teach them about canned food...

Maybe we could just give them some blankets.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SPUCK (Post 459327)

Maybe we could just give them some blankets.

:rolleyes:

or a PS3

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Originally Posted by SPUCK (Post 459327)

Maybe we could just give them some blankets.

:rolleyes:

With smallpox.

Dude that was so wrong.

:D

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 459116)

Then again, we have no idea of their infant mortality rate...if "think of the children" is a viable argument. Perhaps having lived outside of what we know to be society has afforded them immunities and benefits of which we could never dream. However, this notion only opens up the "let's study and see what we can learn" can of worms.

No idea of infant mortality? Are you seriously saying they work less and have a better mortality, infant and lifespan, then we have? Do you think for a MOMENT that out of a thousand plus different cultures and tribes they somehow are different and found the fountain of youth and are living in some utopia of perfect health?

Give me back your damn bible. The earth was not created in seven days, it is not a thousand years old, dinosaur bones were not planted by god, magic doesn't work, and Xenu is not the reason you have a bunch of thetans causing the bad in your life.

It is called empirical evidence. I will agree that in history a more civilized country has been defeated by a more barbaric one, but I can not believe you really believe that civilization does not promote a better way of living.

And civilization is not created equal. There are different levels to it. We live better than the those in ramshackle "2nd World" countries. They live better than those in "3rd World" countries, and they live better than those in the mud huts in the middle of deepest Africa.

No, we are not all equal, but those of us at the top live better and those at the bottom are climbing that ladder right behind us.

Arrogance you call it? I call it read your damn history books and understand the meaning of empirical evidence. This is not a question of faith and morality, it is another example of the faithful trying to say, "Quake in the face god for his wrath shall strike down the mighty."

Well fuck your god.

What the fuck has God got to do with it?

Coign is railing against an argument nobody made. :rolleyes: