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Undertoad 07-30-2016 10:52 AM

Politics is the new Religion
Promising two alternate realities, one heaven the other hell, based on whom you worship

True believers hanging on long speeches from on high explaining what they should think

Supporters spreading the good word and writing checks for the collection plate

sexobon 07-30-2016 11:03 AM

Does that make an abstaining voter a political atheist or agnostic?

BigV 07-30-2016 11:32 AM

there's not enough information to determine. some abstain because they don't believe, your atheists. henry quirk is a good example we both "know". some believe, yet still abstain because they believe, but know better. Griff's an example of this kind of believer, he believes in the reality of the system, but not in one, true, path.

Undertoad 07-30-2016 11:41 AM

Whom you worship is almost always a product of your friends and family, and where you live, and what culture you grew up in.

Undertoad 07-30-2016 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 965543)
Does that make an abstaining voter a political atheist or agnostic?

Or, one can be quite spiritual and still dislike Religion, or the official Religions, for what they have done to systems of belief.

sexobon 07-30-2016 11:46 AM

Maybe those who abstain are mostly the agnostics and those who mock the system by casting a protest vote (e.g. writing in "Mickey Mouse") are the atheists. Possibly more parallels there.

fargon 07-30-2016 12:49 PM

I am a believer, for me it was a physical experience. I cannot deny it

henry quirk 07-30-2016 02:10 PM

Seems to me, to be a political atheist is to say 'I don't believe in politics', which is dumb cuz politics is just a kind of human interaction, and humans interacting is demonstrably real.

I like 'heretic' better but that carries (to me) a sense of active rebellion, and I just ain't the time, energy, or interest for that.

Non serviam, as declaration, works, but isn't easy to label.

Indifferent (with a clinched fist)?

Apolitical (but knowing)?


sexobon 07-30-2016 03:15 PM

In the OP scenario of politics is the new religion promising two alternate realities, one heaven the other hell, based on whom you worship, I'll go with the political atheists being the ones who don't worship anyone and demonstrate it by casting protest votes as opposed to the agnostics who don't vote 'cause they don't think they have reach.

Just another way of looking at it.

elSicomoro 07-30-2016 11:03 PM

New? You're behind, UT. ;)

There are always people that are going to blindly worship at the altar of the donkey or the elephant. Me? I hang with the donkeys, but I have my glasses or contacts on. Fortunately, my state Democratic party seems cool with that.

tw 07-31-2016 11:20 AM


Have faith. We will tell you what to believe. Have faith that we are informed and honest.

Westboro Baptist Church also has faith. Do I really want what they have?

elSicomoro 07-31-2016 05:08 PM

Speaking as someone to whom WBC is local...I don't think they are offering faith.

BigV 07-31-2016 05:38 PM

WBC has faith. Faith that if they keep walking around talking in public like they do, they'll be rewarded by an assault, an act like a mustard seed which would let them move mountains of lawsuits.

elSicomoro 07-31-2016 05:48 PM

For those that don't know, this place is across the street from WBC. Good people.

BigV 07-31-2016 05:59 PM


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