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Diaphone Jim 06-24-2019 06:39 PM

Iran, June 24, 2019
 
Don't read this article and don't pass it on at your own (and your family's) expense.
Every word needs to be read and understood.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06...-strikes-back/

BigV 06-24-2019 10:44 PM

Read it, your attempt at reverse psychology notwithstanding.

Excellent article.

There will be war. President "Putty" will be so shaped, and so destroyed. Sadness will rain down.

tw 06-24-2019 10:50 PM

Extremists in Iran are certainly promoting the same "we will kill you" lies that are also being promoted by extremists in America. It did not start this month. The US all but declared war on Iran for reasons contradicted by every major world power. It is causing a major threat to a moderate Iranian government for the same reason wacko extremists in the US in Oct 1963 wanted nuclear war. without provocation, launched onto every communist nation in the world.

As Curtis LeMay said, if two Americans survive and only one Russian, then we win. Extremist that required a major political confrontation to restrain.

Is war inevitable? We know the Don views war as acceptable. He views war as another way to make himself popular. It has always been his nature. Apparently a major confrontation by the Don's people finally got him to change to a sane decision - with only ten minutes to spare. He did not change his mind because 150 people might be killed. He can even kill someone on Fifth Ave and not be prosecuted. It is both his attitude and contempt for honesty.

Iran clearly has same problems. Extremists, in part to embarrass their moderate government, may have arbitrarily launched those attacks. And others with drones in Saudi Arabia. For the same reason Curtis LeMay order something like 200 American aircraft to intentionally violate Soviet Union sovereignty.

LeMay said we are already at war with the Soviets. Americans just do not know it yet. We can be damn sure similar conversations are happening in Iran. In both nations, confrontations between moderates and extremists is getting hotter. With extremists doing whatever they can to provoke confrontation.

xoxoxoBruce 06-24-2019 11:47 PM

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Woke up and smell the budget...

Griff 06-25-2019 06:21 AM

Send in the Oregon militia!

tw 06-25-2019 08:20 AM

Wag the Dog. That movie was never more relevant.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-05-2019 10:58 AM

"Iranian moderates" have in effect not been allowed in the Iranian government since 1979. There is no use invoking them but to attack American interests, such as they are in that region.

xoxoxoBruce 07-06-2019 12:38 AM

The Brits grabbed an Iranian super tanker, here we go... :facepalm:

sexobon 07-06-2019 12:43 AM

They can play tug of war with it.

Gravdigr 07-06-2019 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1035250)
The Brits grabbed an Iranian super tanker, here we go... :facepalm:

Grabbed it by the

Urbane Guerrilla 07-06-2019 09:58 AM

I knew Gibraltar harbor was big... if you can get a supertanker in there, it's bigger than I thought.

Iran's exhibiting an inflated notion of its power-projection abilities.

Nothing's ever wrong with spanking a tyranny, however constituted. In Iran's case, an oligarchic despotism rather than a representative democracy in fact not just form.

tw 07-06-2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1035282)
I knew Gibraltar harbor was big... if you can get a supertanker in there, it's bigger than I thought.

Ports are routinely large enough to handle a supertanker. That is not the problem. Problem is channel depth.

For example, Gibraltar channel may only be 13 meters. Supertankers may need 18 or 22 meters. That supertanker is probably not in port. It is probably sitting where so many sit to unload their cargo - in a nearby anchorage. This tanker is probably sitting in an anchorage in the Bay of Gibraltar which might be deep enough. Otherwise it is sitting the Med just off Gibraltar.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-08-2019 01:29 AM

CNN reports the Grace I is drawing 22 meters and is presently loaded with 2M barrels of a heavy petroleum fraction like fuel oil for ships. And that she is anchored out.

Urbane Guerrilla 08-02-2019 05:58 PM

And now there are up to four ships involved in the overall incident. And they're all four just sitting there. Being boring.

Not a game of Operation. Calls instead for a game of Special Operation.

BigV 08-02-2019 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 1036421)
And now there are up to four ships involved in the overall incident. And they're all four just sitting there. Being boring.

Not a game of Operation. Calls instead for a game of Special Operation.

What sane person wants the Persia Gulf to be less boring!?!?

BigV 08-02-2019 09:10 PM

Oh, hi UG!


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