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Kitsune 01-18-2006 12:01 PM

Final Choices
 
Information on promession. I love the idea of a forest of memories.

I couldn't find enough information on chemical digestion, but it was a method proposed and demonstrated in the book Stiff - The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers. Simply add lye and "your troubles go down the drain", so the speak.

Happy Monkey 01-18-2006 12:36 PM

Chopped for spare parts.

mrnoodle 01-18-2006 12:39 PM

I'd rather die in my sleep. The other ways seem painful.

Or are you asking how I want my body disposed? Meh, throw me in the woods out back and let the coyotes get something out of it.

Elspode 01-18-2006 12:43 PM

Why wasn't "converted to Soylent Green" one of the choices? Then, when I tell someone "Eat me!", there's a chance it might actually happen.

Hemlock 01-18-2006 12:57 PM

I am a chemist, and work with carbon. I have always wanted my ashes to be turned into a graphite target, for people in lab to use. That way, I can still be involved in experiements!

This firm took my idea, and made it better:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2209799.stm

Basically, "A US firm says it will turn your cremated ashes into a diamond for the loved ones you leave behind to cherish."

That sounds awesome.

Undertoad 01-18-2006 01:01 PM

Other, donated to science. Let some pre-med play with me to learn something.

glatt 01-18-2006 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad
Other, donated to science. Let some pre-med play with me to learn something.

That you can scare the crap out of a fellow med student by stuffing a cadaver in their locker...

glatt 01-18-2006 01:07 PM

I don't care too much what happens to me. I'll be an organ donor like HM, and then after that, my next of kin can do whatever is easiest/cheapest for them. But I don't want to have my bones decorate some church somewhere.

wolf 01-18-2006 01:10 PM

I'm going with cremation, but I kind of liked these ideas, from the article

"THE Parsees of Mumbai in India leave their dead on top of Towers of Silence to be eaten by vultures, while in the Solomon Islands, the deceased are laid out on a reef for the sharks to eat."

limey 01-18-2006 01:13 PM

I choose burial because now I'm on this island I do not want to leave, even temporarily to be cremated. If they build a crematorium here I'm happy to be cremated and scattered here.

Kitsune 01-18-2006 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad
Other, donated to science. Let some pre-med play with me to learn something.

I wanted to be donated to science until I found out that most of the cadavers end up being used for cosmetic surgery practice.

The book "Stiff" ruined a lot for me. Finding out what really happens to bodies in the science field was kind of depressing since rarely are they ever used for "good", anymore. Donating your brain? It usually ends up in a tupperware bin labeled with masking tape and a marker, then forgotten.

Not even turkey roasting pans have the same meaning to me, anymore. :thepain3:

SteveDallas 01-18-2006 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
Why wasn't "converted to Soylent Green" one of the choices? Then, when I tell someone "Eat me!", there's a chance it might actually happen.

I was gonna say, "served with fava beans and a nice Chianti."

Trilby 01-18-2006 02:36 PM

I want to be floated out on a wooden raft at sunset. Just as my Death Float hits the horizon I want someone on shore to shoot a flaming arrow onto the raft and I'll burn up as I float away. I'll be ashy-swampy.

fargon 01-18-2006 03:34 PM

I am gonna be deep sixed offa Coast Guard Cutter. Just feed my nasty ass to the crabs.

barefoot serpent 01-18-2006 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fargon
Just feed my nasty ass to the crabs.

I would prefer turkey buzzards somewheres up on The Mogollon Rim. But, med school cadaver is OK, too.

Pie 01-18-2006 04:01 PM

Well, I chose cremation, but I meant it more in a re-entry sort of mode. Y'know, like into Jupiter's atmosphere.

- Pie (flambe')

SteveDallas 01-18-2006 04:20 PM

My older brother has expressed a wish to be stuffed and placed in a rocking chair on the front porch next to a cooler of beer, so that passers-by might stop and have a cold one if they wished.

Sun_Sparkz 01-18-2006 04:36 PM

I have always wanted to be cremated and scattered at our local national parks waterfall, where my dad and I used to bushwalk and picnic when i was younger.

Although, that "turned into a diamond" idea sounds awesome.. I could make my kids walk around with me in their jewellery for the rest of their lives! Although i dont like the prospect of being forgotten in a jewellery box somewhere.

lumberjim 01-18-2006 05:48 PM

cremation.

but ...that freeze dried thing sounds pretty cool too.

made into a diamond? definite big shot stuff there. but who would get to wear it? what if they lost you? or sold you when times got tough? you could end up the symbol of some couple's love? that sounds cool, too.

SteveDallas 01-18-2006 06:12 PM

Or you could end up planted here . . . . . .

xoxoxoBruce 01-18-2006 08:05 PM

I suppose when the time comes, it won't make any difference to me. :dead:

marichiko 01-18-2006 09:50 PM

I imagine I won't notice what happens to my earthly remains. I would like to be recycled, though. Throw my body to the wild critters on the Uncomphaghre Plateau, or at least my ashes to give a little additional nitrogen to the sage brush out there.

footfootfoot 01-18-2006 10:20 PM

Tan me 'ide when I'm dead, Fred,
tan me 'ide when I'm dead.
So we tanned his hide when he died Clyde,
(Spoken) And that's it hanging on the shed.
Altogether now!

Tie me kangaroo down sport...

BigV 01-18-2006 11:38 PM

Organ donor.

Then, medschool cadaver for the rest. A plaque, or some other memorial suitable to the tastes of the day... I dunno.

The diamond thang sounds crazy-cool. How damn pretentious can you get?

wolf 01-19-2006 01:35 AM

I'm also an organ donor, but by the time I'm done with 'em, I'm not sure anyone will want them.

xoxoxoBruce 01-19-2006 04:26 AM

Some planks I tore from the cabin floor, and I lit the boiler fire;
Some coal I found that was lying around, and I heaped the fuel higher;
The flames just soared, and the furnace roared—such a blaze you seldom see;
And I burrowed a hole in the glowing coal, and I stuffed in Sam McGee.
:flamer:

Kitsune 01-19-2006 06:58 AM

:mg:

I'm surprised by this -- cremation leads well over burial. I always thought burial was still preferred over cremation, but I couldn't say why it once was. Something to do with the catholic church, maybe? (I can't remember when they finally accepted cremation.)

Very interesting! If you do prefer cremation, is there any reason why you'd rather have it than burial? Expense? The idea of "returning to the land"?

glatt 01-19-2006 09:06 AM

I will say this, the one nice thing about burial is that there is a place with a marker that people can visit to pay their respects to you.

It's too easy in our fast paced society for us to forget those who have come before us. Graveyards help us remember our place in the scheme of things. We are but one generation of the vast story of mankind. There were many before us, and there will be many after us. It's humbling.

But personally, when I'm dead, I won't care. Do what you want with me.

dar512 01-19-2006 09:12 AM

I think nearly all the stuff we do for the dead is actually for the living - which includes the gravesite.

I played at a funeral yesterday. [UT plays with Poco. I play funerals.] It was a very nice ceremony celebrating the life that had ended. It caused me to be quite reflective. I think people should go to a funeral now and then to remind them of how little time we actually have.

barefoot serpent 01-19-2006 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dar512
I think people should go to a funeral now and then to remind them of how little time we actually have.

That's how Harold met Maude. :)

Sundae 01-19-2006 10:01 AM

I'm with Glatt - I carry a Donor card so they'll hopefully take whatever is useful. Then it's up to whoever is around to dispose of me.

lumberjim 01-19-2006 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune
:mg:


Very interesting! If you do prefer cremation, is there any reason why you'd rather have it than burial? Expense? The idea of "returning to the land"?

I dislike the idea of rotting away in a box 6 feet under. even though i understand that i wont feel it, it's still nasty. better to have done, and move on, give something back if you can. if the freeze drying thing is accessible when i kick it, i think i like that even more than cremation. seems like the nutrients would be more helpful unburned. less stinky, too i expect.

zippyt 01-19-2006 07:07 PM

Burn my dead ass up !!! I don't want any body to have to try and come up with the thousands of dollars it takes to plant a body ,
as I said cremate me , put my ashes in a straw hat , go to a certin place on a certin river( those who need to know , know where it is ) , light the hat , float it down stream and pop open a beer for the memorys .
Say a few words if you want to .
That is all .

ashes to ashes ,
dust to dust ,
from wents we came,
we shall return .

Skunks 01-19-2006 07:38 PM

There's sort of a running joke in the ceramics studio about how it'd be cool to make an urn for yourself, be cremated, and have somebody turn you into an <a href="http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/ecolodge/25/glazes.htm">ash glaze</a> (<a href="http://www.aquariusartgallery.com/Dec2004/IMG_6967.JPG">img</a>) to put on the outside of the urn.

A bit more hands-after-death-on than the whole diamond thing, I'd say.

keryx 01-19-2006 07:45 PM

I choose cremation. I hate the idea of being stuffed in a box six feet under. I prefer to leave little as possible behind, and I like the idea of cleansing by fire.

wolf 01-19-2006 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skunks
There's sort of a running joke in the ceramics studio about how it'd be cool to make an urn for yourself, be cremated, and have somebody turn you into an <a href="http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/ecolodge/25/glazes.htm">ash glaze</a> (<a href="http://www.aquariusartgallery.com/Dec2004/IMG_6967.JPG">img</a>) to put on the outside of the urn.

Damn. I'm going to have to suggest that to a friend of mine who is a potter that happens to really like that technique.

Elspode 01-20-2006 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by barefoot serpent
That's how Harold met Maude. :)

One of my all time favorite films.

monster 01-21-2006 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko
I imagine I won't notice what happens to my earthly remains. I would like to be recycled, though. Throw my body to the wild critters on the Uncomphaghre Plateau, or at least my ashes to give a little additional nitrogen to the sage brush out there.

Seconded.

monster 01-21-2006 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skunks
There's sort of a running joke in the ceramics studio about how it'd be cool to make an urn for yourself, be cremated, and have somebody turn you into an <a href="http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/ecolodge/25/glazes.htm">ash glaze</a> (<a href="http://www.aquariusartgallery.com/Dec2004/IMG_6967.JPG">img</a>) to put on the outside of the urn.

A bit more hands-after-death-on than the whole diamond thing, I'd say.


You missed the bit about the bisque fire in the cremation furnace.....

Beestie 01-22-2006 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune
If you do prefer cremation, is there any reason why you'd rather have it than burial? Expense? The idea of "returning to the land"?

I've made it clear to mine that I do not want to be buried. I've suggested lifegem but will leave it to them. While lifegem can make diamonds from cremated remains, they don't use all the ashes leaving some for distribution in a meaningful place.

I just think its the height of human selfishness to tie up a peice of earth for all eternity just to house a lousy skeleton. I understand burial and respect the idea of having a place to pay one's respects but there should be a moratorium on how long you can tie up that patch of earth. If no one alive knows who you were, then maybe its time to surrender the claim.

If I had to decide now, I'd go for three diamonds with the rest being scattered in the small town in France where I made my debut.

simlingcynic 01-22-2006 02:33 AM

Promession sounds good, but if I can't afford that I either want them to leave me where I lay or shoot me out of a cannon into the sea.

wolf 01-22-2006 11:40 AM

Hiya, simling.

The darndest thoughts get people to post, don't they?

lookout123 01-24-2006 11:23 PM

i'm thinking that if i got to go the way i wanted (non-opening chute - what a rush) the choices listed are kind of irrelevant. if i live long enough to go from natural causes then cremation.

Trilby 01-25-2006 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123
i'm thinking that if i got to go the way i wanted (non-opening chute - what a rush)

Ah, the ol' Sudden Decelleration Injury. Me like.

Aliantha 01-26-2006 11:22 PM

...dead...

NotAnAngel 01-27-2006 07:50 AM

Not that bothered really, although I dont like the idea of taking up space by being buried. Leaving my body to medical science seems reasonable. Im not an organ donor, logical arguement says I should be, and I have spent a lot of time persuading myself I should be one. Peculiar religious types beliefs say no.... Feel free to try to persuade me otherwise, yours may be an arguement I havent heard or thought of before..

wolf 01-27-2006 10:45 AM

If your religion won't let you be a donor, they probably won't let you be anything but buried.

xoxoxoBruce 01-27-2006 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NotAnAngel
Peculiar religious types beliefs say no.... Feel free to try to persuade me otherwise, yours may be an arguement I havent heard or thought of before..

Because it's what you want. There is no other concern. :eyebrow:

dov 01-27-2006 02:22 PM

Jewish burials involve a lot of do this’s and more do not do that’s, (most of what people hear are misconceptions.) I will give you an example of the do's, (ultra orthodox, which I tasted.)

My mentor, Levi, has promised to open the box a crack, before I’m buried, and whisper my Hebrew name, doveed shaul ben barauch ha cohain, (try spelling that in sixth grade, dyslexic or not.) The reason for this ritual is when the spirit leaves the body it is fucking confused, does not know whom what or where it is. Hearing its name begins its trip to Gan Eden, which takes twelve months to get there.

Major do, body must be intact.

When you see pics of the aftermath of a suicide bombing in Israel, you will notice a guy, usually with a beard, picking up pieces of flesh and organs and later he will do his best sorting them into specific individuals. I will pass on that job, if ever offered.

dov 01-27-2006 10:01 PM

It's your Nashama. I am sure.

BigV 01-27-2006 10:30 PM

Yo, dov.

This ain't Jeopardy. The answers are commonly preceded by the questions, if you please.

Nashama? That little car back in the day? Wha?

dov 01-30-2006 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV
Yo, dov.
Nashama? That little car back in the day? Wha?

Nashama = Jewish Soul

BigV 01-30-2006 10:28 PM

Thanks.

marichiko 01-30-2006 10:50 PM

Interesting that. I can tell you for a fact that when the body dies, the soul departs at once, Fragments or entire, makes no diff. I sat by my father's death bed for three days and alternately talked to him and read aloud to him from the Bible. He was unconscious the entire time, but people aren't always so unconscious as you might think as I have learned from a near death experience of my own. Anyhow, when he breathed his final breath, that was it. What was left of his earthly remains bore no resemblence to the man I had known and loved. There was just a dead body lying in a hospital bed. Where -ever my father was, it wasn't there.

His final wish had been to be buried back in the family cemetary plot in Kentucky. So, I had his body cremated and flew back to Kentucky with the ashes. I kept the urn with his ashes in my living room until it was time to catch the plane back East for the in-urnment and the memorial service. At the end of the service, a coyote (??????????) - yes, it was a coyote, several other family members present commented on it - appeared in the field opposite the cemetary. It gave a single, long sad howl and then vanished off in the tall grass...

Tonchi 02-03-2006 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NotAnAngel
Feel free to try to persuade me otherwise, yours may be an arguement I havent heard or thought of before..

Let me explain why the rationale of keeping the body intact, including burying amputated appendages and all organs with you, is absurd. Even if you never read Patricia Cornwell, you know that depending on the kind of ground you are buried in, not even bones remain of a body after several hundred years (That is why the Egyptians were big on mummification). In fact, MOST of the graves in the USA prior to a fairly recent time are officially "lost". We do not know where the burial was or it got washed away or other misfortunes (including airport expansions and condominium developments) either destroyed or scattered the contents. Even in primitive Europe, where this business of keeping the body "intact" got cemented by the Catholic Church, graves were recycled constantly and the remaining contents of the graves which could be located were unceremoneously dumped in a charnel house, and even THAT feature of the cemeteries did not survive in the burial grounds of Europe and the bits and pieces gone to places unknown. So what is God supposed to do, all these millions of people perhaps can't be raised from the dead? What about people who died thousands of miles from anybody who knew them, what about the people who were vaporized at the World Trade Center too? Alferd Packer's victims will not rise again on Judgment Day? Ask yourself what sense this primitive superstition really makes. IF you believe in the God of the Bible, and IF you believe that said God is not only capable of raising someone from the dead in a physical, "uncorrupted" form but WILL do it, don't you think he can manage without a plot map and full casket? Because if he can't, why does anybody believe this stuff anyway? And if he CAN, he doesn't need you to tell him how to do it. He got you here once, he can do it again. Do not insult His intelligence ;)

Go ahead and do what ever is respectful and tidy with the mortal remains, is is not something you are going to have to worry about beyond that.

Beestie 02-03-2006 09:01 PM

I just don't understand why a blind person (for example) has to remain blind so that someone has the satisfaction of knowing that their healthy visual organs can rot.

To refuse to share what you cannot use...

Tonchi 02-03-2006 09:04 PM

Because it's "God's Will"? :headshake

mrnoodle 02-27-2006 05:54 PM

Because they're my mofukin eyeballs, and i'll decide if they go in the collection jar?

Yeah, I'll donate. I'm just sayin.


liberals. sheesh.

May 02-28-2006 08:15 AM

I would die happy anytime..Death might sound a scary thing for some because we are not used to the idea of it..is not part of our everyday life although everyday people die...Why most people afraid of death?Maybe is the fear of the unknown?what do you think?

glatt 02-28-2006 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by May
I would die happy anytime..Death might sound a scary thing for some because we are not used to the idea of it..is not part of our everyday life although everyday people die...Why most people afraid of death?Maybe is the fear of the unknown?what do you think?

Healthy living things are programmed to avoid death. Fear of death keeps them alive and breeding longer. Fear of death is natural and healthy. Living things that welcome death are more likely to die before reproducing, so their genes and outlook on life are not passed along to their offspring. Those that fear death, are more careful, and live longer. They pass those genes and attitudes along to their offspring. So there is a strong instinct to fear death.

Also, a thinking being knows that death is the end. Most people don't want the ride to stop. They look toward the end of the ride as a sad or scary thing.

If there is no afterlife, when you die you simply cease to exist, so you will be neither happy nor sad. If you think there is an afterlife, you have the fear of the unknown thrown in there as well. Unless you think 72 virgins are waiting for you, then you embrace death.


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