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wolf 11-01-2005 12:50 AM

Feel the Power of the Lord
 
Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism

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Oct 31, 11:36 PM EST

Texas pastor electrocuted during baptism

By ANGELA K. BROWN
Associated Press Writer

WACO, Texas (AP) -- The University Baptist Church band had just led the congregation in praise songs when the Rev. Kyle Lake stepped into a tank on the stage to baptize a new member, something he did several times a year.

As a packed room of more than 800 people watched, Lake cried out and then fell backward.

Several doctors in the Sunday morning crowd rushed up and pulled the 33-year-old pastor from the water, but Lake had been electrocuted. He was pronounced dead shortly afterward at a hospital.

Some at the service, which was packed for Baylor University homecoming weekend, said Lake had adjusted a microphone outside the tank. Others said it appeared a piece of equipment fell into the water.

"It happened so fast; no one knew what was going on," said Sam Larson, a Minneapolis seminary student who was in Waco visiting fellow Baylor graduates. "It was horrible. Kyle was a guy who loved everybody; he didn't care who you were. And everybody who met him loved him."

Waco police believe it was an accident, said police spokesman Steve Anderson.

Detectives and the city's inspection department on Monday examined the church's electrical system, microphones and band equipment to try to determine exactly what happened, he said.

Randy Childers, who oversees code enforcement for the city, said officials also were reviewing previous inspection reports and permits for the building, which housed a supermarket before the church moved in about 10 years ago.

The funeral service for Lake, who was married and had a 5-year-old daughter and 3-year-old twin sons, was planned for Tuesday at Waco's First Baptist Church.

Lake, a Tyler native, graduated from Baylor in 1994 and the school's Truett Seminary in 1997.

He had been a pastor at University Baptist Church for seven year. The church had grown to about 600 members since it was founded in 1995 as a contemporary church for students at nearby Baylor, the world's largest Baptist university.

"He could speak students' language, and he could capture their attention and hold it," said Jeter Basden, Baylor's director of ministry guidance and one of Lake's professors. "He was funny and deep, and he could communicate with someone who didn't have a church background."

Since news of Lake's death began spreading, several Baptist pastors have talked about making sure their baptism practices are safe, said David Hardage, executive director of the Waco Baptist Association.

But he said the tragedy won't end the tradition of completely submersing someone during a baptism, which symbolizes a Christian's belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead. The woman who was to be baptized Sunday wasn't injured, church officials said.

"It's an integral part of the Baptist faith," Hardage said. "For Baptists, we don't believe that baptism is an act of salvation. We believe baptism is an act of obedience and a testimony for what you believe."

marichiko 11-01-2005 01:33 AM

Wow! I wonder what the woman who was going to be baptized is thinking right now? Talk about someone dying for your sins - literally! :eek:

Trilby 11-01-2005 11:01 AM

Why doesn't anybody go down to the river anymore? That's what Jesus would do...

mrnoodle 11-01-2005 11:06 AM

extension cord won't reach?

Elspode 11-01-2005 12:58 PM

God has a great sense of dark humor. You Christian types will want to watch out for that.

Of course, a lot of Pagan deities can be rather capricious as well...

Troubleshooter 11-01-2005 01:00 PM

That's what happens when you start mistaking the Workings of The Lord for a simple +/- reaction.

capnhowdy 11-01-2005 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna
Why doesn't anybody go down to the river anymore? That's what Jesus would do...


Pollution? :)

mrnoodle 11-02-2005 09:17 AM

I was baptized by my grandfather in a very idyllic farm pond. It was very Jordanesque.

Kitsune 11-02-2005 11:37 AM

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smoothmoniker 11-02-2005 12:55 PM

Kyle was a friend, as is Dave, who leads worship at the church.

just wanted to bring some context.

capnhowdy 11-02-2005 01:01 PM

Delmar O'Donnel:

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"Come on in boys...the water is fine."
It's odd to me how some faiths dunk and some faiths trickle. Reckon it's all the same to God.

:king:

Elspode 11-02-2005 01:01 PM

Oh, boy. Now I feel like a complete shitheel.

This was *your* congregation, SM? It was, of course, a terrible accident. I hate to apologize for being a hopeless religious cynic, so instead I'll simply extend condolences.

Kitsune 11-02-2005 01:14 PM

Ah, shit. I retract. Sorry, SM.

mrnoodle 11-02-2005 01:15 PM

So do I :(

Size 12's...hefty meal.

Kitsune 11-02-2005 01:23 PM

Truly. I'm sorry for the loss in your community, SM.

Well, that about ends my day. I'm just going to hide under my desk for the rest of the day with my blanket and a cup of tea if anyone needs me.

Troubleshooter 11-02-2005 01:49 PM

Not to sound too much an asshole, but how does SM's relation to the situation change the reality of it?

All, I repeat all humor is rooted in someone else's woes. Why does the distance change it from a comedy to a tragedy? Isn't it possible to be both?

Kitsune 11-02-2005 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
Not to sound too much an asshole, but how does SM's relation to the situation change the reality of it?

Good question.

I've generally enjoyed The Cellar's userbase and the sharing of ideas, emotions, etc that all go on here and despite the yelling matches I usually get into on this board, I actually do consider most of you friendly folk. It sucks when a friend experiences a loss or hardship and I try to generally be supportive of them.

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
All, I repeat all humor is rooted in someone else's woes.

No doubt. Still, I think some tact is called for now and then, you know?

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter
Why does the distance change it from a comedy to a tragedy? Isn't it possible to be both?

Ever watch a funny movie in which someone dies in the same way one of your close friends or family members did, but everyone in the audience is laughing while you just feel sick inside? The answer to your question "yes", but it feels really, really uncomfortable. Trust me.

Happy Monkey 11-02-2005 02:15 PM

“Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall down an open manhole cover and die.”

glatt 11-02-2005 02:24 PM

This is a good question. I didn't find this thread to be funny. I had read that story somewhere else before it showed up here, and it was being played there as funny too. As I think back, I've never found any real person's death to be funny. I don't mean to be a wet blanket, and maybe I'm missing out on a lot of fun in the world, but I just am not amused by death. I also don't mean to be acting all superior to anyone else. Senses of humor vary from person to person.

If it's a movie, I might find a death scene to be funny. Like I remember in Cape Fear, the main character slips in a puddle of a dead guy's blood and almost wipes out. That amused me.

If it's reality, a slight injury or wipe out might be funny. America's Funniest Home Videos is often amusing. Actual death takes it to another level that just doesn't work for me. So that's where my sense of humor seems to have drawn a line.

One thing I worry about with the internet ("worry" is probably too strong a word) is that it's quite possible that a family member might Google the name of a dead loved one and stumble across hurtful comments by strangers. If one of my family members died of a freak accident, I wouldn't want the public record to be a bunch wise cracks about their passing.

Trilby 11-02-2005 03:01 PM

My great-uncle accidentally shot and killed himself. He was trying to open a coco-nut with his the butt of his gun and it went off. I didn't know him, and I'm sure it was awful for everyone he knew--but, it does seem rather--I don't know--bizarre. He lived in Pennsylvania, it was the middle of winter--where the hell did he get a fresh coco-nut? Anyway--I don't think we make light of death for it's own mean little sake. I think we do it out of fear that one day we'll be taken down by our own coco-nut.

Elspode 11-02-2005 03:10 PM

In terms of absolutes, no, it isn't funny when someone dies, even in an ironic manner...not in reality. I guess the difference is that, having spent some time here on The Cellar with SM, I admire and respect his vocational abilities, his familial sensibilities and his conviction to his path, even though it doesn't agree with mine.

Since I therefore, ergo and to whit, *respect* SM, it would behoove me not to make fun of something that caused him pain, because that would be cruel.

So, to summarize...I don't make fun of the miseries of people whom I "know" or respect, and I do make fun of the miseries of strangers. There's a word for people like me. It is "hypocrite".

I suck.

glatt 11-02-2005 04:09 PM

Well, TS said it: Humor is all about another's misfortune, and death is possibly the ultimate misfortune. So it would follow that it should be funny.

I laugh at animals a lot. To the point that my wife mocks me. When I look back at the biggest belly laughs I've had in my life, it's usually some dog or cat doing something funny. Something that's a misfortune for the dog or cat. So I guess I go to the other extreme. Non-humans having their dignity compromised. Apparently that's good humor for me.

Of course, if the pet owner was in the room, I would stifle the laugh.

wolf 11-05-2005 03:03 PM

SM, I would like to offer my condolences to your religious community.

zippyt 11-05-2005 07:32 PM

Sorry to hear about the loss SM ,
BUT you do have to admit it is ironic for a pastor to be struck down by Lightning
( I know , i know it was a faulty connection on a microphone )
But still !!!!

Carbonated_Brains 11-07-2005 08:03 PM

I think it's clear the funny part of this thread is that Brianna spells coconut with a hypen.

hee hee hee.


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