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richlevy 09-10-2005 01:51 PM

Kayne West was a 'good boy'
 
I was watching Fox News this morning and they were discussing flood benefits and Kayne West's performance last night came up. One of the commentators stated that Mr. West did not offer any more comments on the race issue and that he was a 'good boy'. :smack:

I think someone should clue this guy that if you work for an overwhelmingly white conservative network, calling a Kayne West a 'good boy' might not be seen as a compliment, especially when discussing race relations.

As a matter of fact, I was thinking about this today and I thought that the only people who could use that phrase to me without it sounding demeaning are relatives. If my mother called me a 'good boy', I probably woudn't take offense. If my boss or a srranger did so, I probably would be offended.

This also works indirectly. It is appropriate for someone to say "I'm sure his mother thinks he's a good boy".

Is this a sign of a new anti-PC movement?

Undertoad 09-10-2005 04:45 PM

Do younger people even know that "boy" is a "bad" word?

Via Fark:
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Hip-hop star KANYE WEST is advising his white counterparts that they can only use certain slang terms when they're out of style for black people.

The JESUS WALKS rapper - who recently charged that US President GEORGE W BUSH "doesn't care" about African Americans - believes that certain slang words should only be able to cross racial barriers when they're no longer in style for black people.

He says, "I think white people are allowed to say 'bling'. They are allowed to say old-school black slang, like 'hottie' and 'homie'.

"Actually, I do not think that (white people) are allowed to use slang until it is at least a year old. If you say a slang word too early, it's like you're trying to be black. So as long as the slang is a little played out, you're all good."

wolf 09-10-2005 07:55 PM

Somebody better tell Sycamore, although he is an honorary Negro.

Hemlock 09-10-2005 08:23 PM

I had never known "boy" was bad until I saw some references in pop-culture. I think this whole thread is stupid. Who cares what he said?

bluecuracao 09-10-2005 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy
If my mother called me a 'good boy', I probably woudn't take offense. If my boss or a srranger did so, I probably would be offended.

Ah, memories of youth. A middle-age male client once said I was a "GOOD girl," and I felt myself longing to rip out his newly implanted hair roots. I say, beyond the racial implications, being referred to "good boy" is at the least hugely demeaning.

Perry Winkle 09-10-2005 08:57 PM

I don't find being called a good boy to be demeaning in the least. The culture I grew up in is dominated by a class of men called, "Good 'ol boys". If they call you a "good boy" or anything but "fairy/faggot-ass boy" then you're in the club.

bluecuracao 09-10-2005 09:21 PM

So, good ole Kanye is just a member of the club! What a wonderful world we live in. :D

NovemberRain 09-10-2005 09:39 PM

It sounds to me as if the commentator meant it in the same vein as Kayne's mother would have if she had said it. He probably only realized later, if he realized it at all, that people might take it the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by richlevy
Is this a sign of a new anti-PC movement?

The movement, if there is a conscious movement, isn't new. I have resented the PC crowd telling me what I can and cannot say for years. Telling me I can't do something is the surest way to get me to do it. I'm ornery that way. :D

lookout123 09-10-2005 10:22 PM

stupid comment. almost as stupid as actually worrying about being PC. sometimes when people make a comment that can be taken two ways, it is ok to think it was the more innocent of the possibilities.

NovemberRain 09-10-2005 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123
stupid comment. almost as stupid as actually worrying about being PC. sometimes when people make a comment that can be taken two ways, it is ok to think it was the more innocent of the possibilities.

Exactly. I once made an innocent remark in a chat room about a lollipop - I forget the context now - and this Australian woman went off on me about how I shouldn't say things like that when her boyfriend was listening. (Apparently "lollipop" is an Aussie slang reference to male genitalia.) Christ, I thought I'd never hear the end of it. I explained that I didn't mean that at all, but she went on and on about it until she brought the whole room to a halt.

elSicomoro 09-11-2005 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf
Somebody better tell Sycamore, although he is an honorary Negro.

Yep...Rhoda didn't tear up my Righteous Whitey card when we split up.

Kanye West is a talented artist and producer...and a moron.

zippyt 09-11-2005 07:41 PM

You DO have to be carful now days ,
I used to say as I was greating a new customer " Hi-de-HO !! " ,
Untill one day this lady went OFF saying i had called her a HO !!!!!

Now I just say "Howdy !!"

Happy Monkey 09-11-2005 08:34 PM

Would she have been mollified if you said you were just quoting the talking piece of poo from South Park?

zippyt 09-11-2005 10:15 PM

probley , but i was quoteing Cab Calloway from Minnie the Moocher

mrnoodle 09-12-2005 12:51 PM

Is "boy" supposed to carry slave-era baggage if you use it with a black person?

my eyes ache from rolling into the back of my skull right now. As if anyone under the age of 80 has ever been called "boy" in that context. Children -- of all races -- raised with iPods, broadband internet, and happy meals must be taught that words like "boy" have a racial context. And when their parents do so, they do them a disservice. But it keeps Jesse Jackson rolling in the dough, so let's keep it up, people.

bluecuracao 09-12-2005 08:07 PM

Mr. Noodle, you are hereby banned from ever receiving a Righteous Whitey card. :comfort:

richlevy 09-12-2005 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle
And when their parents do so, they do them a disservice. But it keeps Jesse Jackson rolling in the dough, so let's keep it up, people.

Not just a racial context, but the implication that an individual is immature. Addressed to an adult, it is mildly deragatory. There is also a lot of racial baggage attached to it.

While I do agree that PC can go too far, I also do not appreciate people trying to pretend that slavery and segregation did not exist, or, that enough time has passed that the problem of racial inequality has been solved. It's still a valid issue. Sticking your head in the sand won't make it go away.

wolf 09-13-2005 12:04 AM

Neither will picking at it like an infected wound.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-23-2005 09:26 PM

Speaking of egregious racists, did anyone else catch that Nation of Islam bigot of a spokesman who appeared on Hannity & Colmes, Nashim Mzinga? What an example of "You've got to be taught; you've got to be carefully taught," as South Pacific put it. That's a boy needs rehab. Less resentment of the Caucasian part of his ancestry would do for a start.

wolf 09-24-2005 12:44 AM

Last week a white Philadelphia Daily News columnist said "For the second straight week, Donovan McNabb played like a white quarterback."

I don't remember a furor erupting.

* Free registration required to read the link. The Daily News articles usually enter their pay-to-access archives after one week. This may be a policy only for news, and not be the case for columnists. Bill Conlin's Column Archive is available here.

gonzo_4_life15 09-27-2005 08:57 AM

rap music has always had a hint of racism from busta rhymes to ice cube to g unit i didint realize they were bad till i started growing up. I used to be a huge racially ignorant wigger and it was fun

Troubleshooter 09-27-2005 09:23 AM

Let's not forget Faraconvict stating on television that he met with Ray Nagin in Atlanta and being told by Nagin that white racists blew the holes in the levess to flood out black people.

Happy Monkey 09-27-2005 09:31 AM

Did he eventually say it was Nagin? Last I heard, it was "reliable sources".

I actually heard the rumor that holes were blasted in the levees deliberately a while before Farakhan (sp? who cares..) made the speech. Apparently some residents heard explosions. An offical said the levees breaking might have sounded like explosions, but I think that was the basis for the rumor.

gonzo_4_life15 09-27-2005 10:16 AM

people take suspected racism to seriously, all those people are scared for their lives theres no way they can all keep there unconcious biasts to themselves. With all the storms and armageddon stuff these days we might as well learn to keep civilized during catastophic situations, HST - "they'll say anything to scare you, dont try to fight it man you'll get strokes ,anurysms, brain bubbles then you'll just wither up and die" - fear and loathing in las vegas


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