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xoxoxoBruce 08-16-2005 06:33 PM

Marine wedding.
 
I mentioned awhile back that I was writing to a Marine serving in Iraq. I hadn't met the boy but worked with his Grandfather and ...well...just felt like it.
Well the kid survived the war, but was felled here in the states...by cupid. :D

wolf 08-17-2005 01:04 AM

Those are some extraordinarily large groomsmen.

Troubleshooter 08-17-2005 09:34 AM

Very, but I'm betting they're not in the marines.

wolf 08-17-2005 09:49 AM

I was assuming that as well. But those are some very tall men is what I'm saying.

glatt 08-17-2005 10:18 AM

It's almost comical how tall they are compared to the others in the photo. Like the others are just children or something.

Elspode 08-17-2005 03:02 PM

Why isn't this story on the ABC Evening News? Kinda nice to hear about a couple of people finding love instead of being fitted for artificial limbs, or worse.

xoxoxoBruce 08-17-2005 03:21 PM

The groom had to get a special dispensation from the Marines to join because he is under the size limit. The groomsman in yellow is his uncle (mom's brother) but I don't know who the other giant is.

Griff 08-17-2005 03:31 PM

I thought the Marines dumped that requirement after the Audie Murphy debacle. I remember running into some latino Marines at a paintball tournament years ago little guys... and very dangerous!

xoxoxoBruce 08-17-2005 09:24 PM

Damifino...that's what his Grandpa told me. :)

marichiko 08-17-2005 10:33 PM

Nothing against your friend, what-so-ever, but the Pocatello paper needs to get a better reporter:



As Crystal walked out of the glen and across a footbridge over Dempsey Creek, the flower girl sprinkled rose petals at her feet while country western singers played guitars and sang love songs. The groom took her by the hand and escorted the bride to the stage under the large pavilion. Mayor Ray Bailey of Lava Hot Springs officiated.

The two lovers, exchanging vows and thinking only of each other, forgot for a moment the service to country and a war-torn Iraq. It was a very peaceful ceremony as the birds sang and the background.


That has got to be one of the worst bits of writing I've ever seen. :headshake

(I'm sure your friend is very happy despite the newspaper coverage of the event) ;)

Elspode 08-18-2005 03:31 PM

I'm betting there are relatively few aspiring Hemingways willing to work for Pocatello-scale wages these days. :)

marichiko 08-18-2005 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
I'm betting there are relatively few aspiring Hemingways willing to work for Pocatello-scale wages these days. :)

From the example above, I'd say there were very few high school graduates willing to work for those wages, either. Pocatello is kind of a cool town in a Idaho sort of style, by the way. You'd think the paper could scrape up a cub reporter who had passed English class in 10th grade. :eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce 08-18-2005 05:35 PM

At least it didn't start with "It was a dark and stormy night...." :lol:
The ceremony was held was at a mountain top picnic grove that they accessed by a 1 1/2 hour horsedrawn wagon ride. I can picture these people, in their Sunday best, sweltering in a porta-potty that's been sitting in the August sun.

wolf 08-19-2005 12:49 AM

Events like weddings are usually covered by the editor's mistress or mildly retarded granddaughter, aren't they? Small newspapers save the Journalism School Graduates for reporting on important things, like hog futures and the county fair.

dar512 08-19-2005 08:38 AM

I admit it's a bit flowery, but I don't see any obvious spelling or grammer rules being broken.

wolf 08-19-2005 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dar512
I admit it's a bit flowery, but I don't see any obvious spelling or grammer rules being broken.

You wouldn't.

;) :lol:

dar512 08-19-2005 12:36 PM

:question: :question: :question:

Queen of the Ryche 08-19-2005 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512
I admit it's a bit flowery, but I don't see any obvious spelling or grammer rules being broken.

1.) Lack of spelling or grammAr errors do not quality writing make.
2.) See above. :o

Trilby 08-19-2005 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen of the Ryche
1.) Lack of spelling or grammAr errors do not quality writing make.
2.) See above. :o

Oh yeah? Tell Marichiko that! :D

dar512 08-19-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen of the Ryche
1.) Lack of spelling or grammAr errors do not quality writing make.
2.) See above. :o

And long sentences do not imply bad writing. For every Hemingway there is a Faulkner or a London. You just don't run into long sentences much these days. Modern readers raised on Sesame Street and MTV don't have the patience for it.

Queen of the Ryche 08-19-2005 02:56 PM

So sad but so true. I think I'll start my two year old on Beowulf and Chaucer right away. Okay, maybe when she's five.

Bullitt 08-19-2005 03:02 PM

Yeah, Beowulf would be a bit much for a 5 year old.. the whole ripping off of limbs, mass killing of the innocent and whatnot :biggrin:
I'd start with The Canterbury Tales

Trilby 08-19-2005 03:05 PM

Yeah, but there's all that sex in there...and the Wyf of Bath is beyond the pale, quite!

Queen of the Ryche 08-19-2005 03:07 PM

But Beowulf is a funny funny story! As is Gawain and the Green Knight - great humor back in the day...
Maybe Pilgrims Progress? Or a little Joyce to lighten things up? HA HA

Trilby 08-19-2005 03:10 PM

There's always Jonathan Swift for long-assed sentences and words you can't pronounce and probably on second thought aren't real words, anyway...

Queen of the Ryche 08-19-2005 03:13 PM

I actually enjoy watching Sesame Street. The bits have some good hidden adult humor, and are just long enough for my two year old's TV-watching attention span; her book attention span is actually a good half hour to forty five minutes - pretty amazing she is. (Her newest words are "probably", and "because" - ask her what color something is, she'll now reply with a strange sentece like "it's probably green, because not yellow.")

xoxoxoBruce 08-19-2005 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512
And long sentences do not imply bad writing. For every Hemingway there is a Faulkner or a London. You just don't run into long sentences much these days. Modern readers raised on Sesame Street and MTV don't have the patience for it.

Right...just the other day I sent someone an email consisting of two sentences. The first contained 185 words and the second, two words. ;)

richlevy 08-19-2005 08:01 PM

As an English major I was subjected to Henry James and John Milton. I do not want to repeat the experience.

marichiko 08-19-2005 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna
Oh yeah? Tell Marichiko that! :D

HUH??????????????????????????????????????

marichiko 08-19-2005 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512
And long sentences do not imply bad writing. For every Hemingway there is a Faulkner or a London. You just don't run into long sentences much these days. Modern readers raised on Sesame Street and MTV don't have the patience for it.

Long setences don't imply good writing, either. Brevity is the soul of wit. Something I often tend to forget, myself.

wolf 08-20-2005 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna
There's always Jonathan Swift for long-assed sentences and words you can't pronounce and probably on second thought aren't real words, anyway...

Introducing 6 year olds to "A Modest Proposal" as bedtime reading really helps to keep them in line.

BigV 08-20-2005 01:30 AM

Yeah, at six they're getting a little tougher :wink:

dar512 08-20-2005 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko
Long setences don't imply good writing, either. Brevity is the soul of wit. Something I often tend to forget, myself.

So we agree that good writing can be either long or short sentences. What was it that you thought was so bad about the blurb?

Queen of the Ryche 08-20-2005 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dar512
What was it that you thought was so bad about the blurb?

Just the overall cheesieness.

marichiko 08-20-2005 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512
So we agree that good writing can be either long or short sentences. What was it that you thought was so bad about the blurb?

Yeah, Queen is right, it's very cheesy but, also, the writing is unclear and awkward:

As Crystal walked out of the glen and across a footbridge over Dempsey Creek, the flower girl sprinkled rose petals at her feet while country western singers played guitars and sang love songs. The groom took her by the hand and escorted the bride to the stage under the large pavilion. Mayor Ray Bailey of Lava Hot Springs officiated.

The two lovers, exchanging vows and thinking only of each other, forgot for a moment the service to country and a war-torn Iraq. It was a very peaceful ceremony as the birds sang and the background.


OK, the first sentence begins with a conjunction, which is a no-no.
The phrase “country western singers played guitars and sang love songs” is both confusing and redundant. It sounds as though a pack of individual country western singers with guitars sang love songs. My guess is that the country western GROUP, “Bubba and his Idaho Coon Hounds,” sang songs like “I promise you,” or “Watch this” or “Goodbye Earl,” using guitar, bass, drums, and a sound system. The reader will never know the truth of this, and probably spends nights laying awake wondering if 10 individual country western style singers (WITH guitars) sang at the wedding or if it was Bubba and his band. “The groom took her by the hand” – took whom? The flower girl?

The two lovers, exchanging vows and thinking only of each other, forgot for a moment the service to country and a war-torn Iraq.

This could actually be a powerful thought instead of sentimental tripe:

The bride and groom who had each made a commitment to serve their country, now made a personal commitment to one another, as well. War torn Iraq was very far away on that peaceful Idaho afternoon with birds singing in the background.

Clodfobble 08-20-2005 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko
OK, the first sentence begins with a conjunction, which is a no-no.

"As" is a preposition, not a conjunction. You can begin a sentence with a preposition, you're just not supposed to end a sentence with one.

I personally agree the writing sucks, I'm just sayin'.

marichiko 08-20-2005 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble
"As" is a preposition, not a conjunction. You can begin a sentence with a preposition, you're just not supposed to end a sentence with one.

I personally agree the writing sucks, I'm just sayin'.

Clodfobble, I, too, was thinking that "as" is a preposition, but that didn't seem right, so I looked it up in Merriam Webster:

Main Entry:as
Function:conjunction
Date:12th century

1 : AS IF *looks as he had seen a ghost — S. T. Coleridge*
2 : in or to the same degree in which *soft as silk* — usually used as a correlative after an adjective or adverb modified by adverbial as or so *as cool as a cucumber*
3 : in the way or manner that *do as I do*
4 : in accordance with what or the way in which *quite good as boys go*
5 : WHILE, WHEN *spilled the milk as she got up*
6 : regardless of the degree to which : THOUGH *improbable as it seems, it's true*
7 : for the reason that : BECAUSE, SINCE *stayed home as she had no car*
8 : that the result is *so clearly guilty as to leave no doubt*
usage see LIKE
–as is : in the presently existing condition without modification *bought the clock at an auction as is*
–as it were : as if it were so : in a manner of speaking

Clodfobble 08-20-2005 05:54 PM

Well alright, I stand corrected. It's also a preposition according to Merriam-Webster online, but the way it's used in the article it is considered a conjunction.

Trilby 08-20-2005 06:26 PM

No Grammar Nazi's! Ya hear?

marichiko 08-20-2005 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna
No Grammar Nazi's! Ya hear?

Try telling that to Wolf. I won't. I'm scared of her! :worried:

wolf 08-21-2005 02:40 PM

http://www.blackstormhawk.com/cellar/grammarnazi.jpg

dar512 08-22-2005 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko
OK, the first sentence begins with a conjunction, which is a no-no.

Not really a no-no. See this page

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko
The phrase “country western singers played guitars and sang love songs” is both confusing and redundant.

Yeah, I'll go along with this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko
The groom took her by the hand” – took whom? The flower girl?

The referent is implied in the previous sentence. This is a wedding we're talking about. Are you really confused?

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko
This could actually be a powerful thought instead of sentimental tripe:

My guess is that this is your real issue. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm an old softy. It's well known that I get the sniffles at AT&T and Hallmark commercials.

And I'm a sucker for sentimental tripe.

marichiko 08-22-2005 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dar512
This is a wedding we're talking about. Are you really confused?

Yes. As Crystal walked out of the glen and across a footbridge over Dempsey Creek, the flower girl sprinkled rose petals at her feet while country western singers played guitars and sang love songs. The subject of the sentence preceeding that statement is the flower girl, not Crystal. The reader shouldn't be left to resolve such quandries on his own. Its very awkward phrasing.


Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512
My guess is that this is your real issue. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm an old softy. It's well known that I get the sniffles at AT&T and Hallmark commercials.

And I'm a sucker for sentimental tripe.

I can be a sucker for sentimental tripe, myself. I like my sentimental tripe to be well written, however. ;)

Trilby 08-22-2005 11:21 AM

I like MY sentimental tripe to have some sex in it! Oh, and not be written in "ebonics", either.

dar512 08-22-2005 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko
I can be a sucker for sentimental tripe, myself. I like my sentimental tripe to be well written, however. ;)

How can you surf the net, then? Doesn't your head explode?

Personally, I'm just happy when the writer doesn't confuse your and you're, their and they're, anxious and eager, etc.

marichiko 08-23-2005 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512
How can you surf the net, then? Doesn't your head explode?

Personally, I'm just happy when the writer doesn't confuse your and you're, their and they're, anxious and eager, etc.

I generally don't cruise the net looking for sentimental tripe. If I want that, I'll pick up a romance novel at a garage sale or something. Usually those have at least had to pass the eye of a proof reader, sometimes even an editor. ;)

wolf 08-23-2005 01:30 PM

You mean a "spell checker".

I've found some very bad typesetting, spelling, and unintentional grammar mistakes in GOOD novels that never should have made it past the galley proofs.

marichiko 08-23-2005 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf
You mean a "spell checker".

I've found some very bad typesetting, spelling, and unintentional grammar mistakes in GOOD novels that never should have made it past the galley proofs.

You need to stop buying those pirated editions printed in Sri Lanka, Wolf. And I mean ROOF READER, not spell checker! :lol:

xoxoxoBruce 08-24-2005 05:01 PM

ROOF READER? :headshake

marichiko 08-24-2005 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
ROOF READER? :headshake

You know. You run spell check and it will let something like "roof reader" pass cuz its spelled right. It takes a human "pROOF READER" to catch stuff like that. ;)


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