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Mr.Anon.E.Mouse 08-05-2005 04:48 PM

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!
 
So it turns out that the older I get the more I enjoy country music. Yeah, huh? I'm wondering the same thing. "How could a guy go from listening to Throbbing Gristle to Ernest Tubbs?!" I love this stuff! Give me some Paul Burch or some Lambchop or even some Calexico and I'm one content compadre. Bill Monroe's encuraged me to pick up the mandolin and I find myself wearing gaudy belt buckles! Should I be concerned or should I just roll with it and appreciate the fact that Lone Star beer is cheaper than Guinness?

Can ya feel me? ANYONE?!

lookout123 08-05-2005 05:01 PM

get out. now. :eyebrow:

or at least see a physician. this is obviously an illness - it may be cureable. ;)

marichiko 08-05-2005 05:14 PM

Don't listen to Lookout. He's just been grumpy for some reason lately. Take a look at this thread ;)

be-bop 08-05-2005 06:04 PM

YeeeeeeHaw!!!
 
Mr mouse is proof that "Drugs don't work"
Have you ever watched the Country Channel on Cable Jeez scary stuff.
The best quote about country music was from Billy Connolly
"I was the man who put the C*nt into Country music I'm nearly 50 and there is no way i'd would listin to most of that shit......... :D

Trilby 08-05-2005 06:14 PM

Ah, some of it's real dang good, be-bop! And what the hell does a Brit know 'bout Cuntry Music, no-how? Ya'll don't got the Appalachian folk what make real cuntry music. However, I have been told that all those damn hillbillys in Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc. are Scotch-Irish descendants :)

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse 08-05-2005 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by be-bop
Mr mouse is proof that "Drugs don't work"
Have you ever watched the Country Channel on Cable Jeez scary stuff.
The best quote about country music was from Billy Connolly
"I was the man who put the C*nt into Country music I'm nearly 50 and there is no way i'd would listin to most of that shit......... :D


I wouldn't call the pap played on TV music at all, but, man, people like Iris Dement or The palace Brothers, now that's cool music!

Beleive me when I tell you I'm befuddled by all of this, too. I've always been a complete snob, music-wise, and I never EVER thought I'd like this twangy stuff, but I do, I DO!

be-bop 08-05-2005 06:34 PM

I hear what you are saying about the Scottish-Irish bit.
It's the Irish bit that's the problem.
the tattie munching micks think Daniel O'Donnell can sing :D

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse 08-05-2005 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by be-bop
I hear what you are saying about the Scottish-Irish bit.
It's the Irish bit that's the problem.
the tattie munching micks think Daniel O'Donnell can sing :D

Whu...?

be-bop 08-05-2005 07:00 PM

Sorry you're on the wrong side of the pond.
believe me the guy is scary http://www.irishcountrymusic.com/daniel.htm

Trilby 08-05-2005 07:12 PM

EeGads, be-bop! Yikes! The guy is indeed a Halloween kind of...horror. But, ya know, the micks are okay! As a matter of fact, my daddy's people got to Scotland but ONLY because they were kicked out of Ireland! (I wonder what one does to get kicked out of Ireland? Seems impossible, doesn't it?)

Urbane Guerrilla 08-06-2005 02:21 AM

You want to grok country in its fullness? Sink your roots deep into Scots-Irish traditional folk. Easiest thing to find is the connection between "Bard of Armagh" and "Streets of Laredo." Next thing is travel through Tennessee end to end; country didn't make sense to me until I road-tripped across the state. Then I kinda got it.

I've since wandered off into a different branch -- the music of the great Highland pipes. There is a bunch of pipe music that would sound well, wrung through an electric or even slide guitar.

richlevy 08-06-2005 03:34 PM

I find myself agreeing with UG on this :eek: . Bluegrass is steeped in traditional English and Scottish music. If I remember correctly, there is even some kind of link between the (dulcimer? banjo?) and bagpipes.

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Although it is an instrument of recent origin, the unique strumstick invented by Bob McNally, (co-inventor of the Martin "Backpacker" travel guitar) is based on the tuning of the Appalachian dulcimer (also called mountain dulcimer), another centuries-old traditional instrument used for performing old timey music. The mountain dulcimer is tuned diatonically; that is, it favors one particular key, usually the key of D, and usually has just 4 strings tuned D-A-D, with irregular-spaced frets. The dulcimer is normally played lying flat on a person's lap or on a table, strummed with a "noter" (a goosequill or flat pick); usually only the paired high strings are fretted, while the lower 2 strings act as drones (said by early Scots-Irish settlers to be reminiscent of bagpipes);
From here
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The banjo is an instrument that many people on this list have declared as
having a unique character due to its 5 string drone, which puts it in the
catagory of instruments like bagpipes, strummed dulcimers, hurdy gurdies,

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse 08-06-2005 03:44 PM

Not denying the corelation between bluegrass/Appalachian folk music/Irish folk music, not here. I've been a huge fan of irish music for quite a long time, and have quite a collection of it, but, returning to the point, I'm really digging what seems to have been labeled 'alt.country' and the like. And I'd rather listen to a bunch of Irish musicians than to a cranky Scotch sheep shagger any day.

marichiko 08-06-2005 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna
However, I have been told that all those damn hillbillys in Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc. are Scotch-Irish descendants :)

We are indeed, and don't forget Welsh. We Appalachian folk are mostly descended from indentured servants and undersirables that the Brits wished to be done with before Australia was invented. Mountain music has strong roots in Scottish and Irish folk music of old, and many traditional songs were actually preserved in a purer form than they were in the Old Country. I came to C/W via my Grandmother's singing of traditional ballads and hymns from the Southern Mountains and graduated to Blue Grass early on. Doc Watson and Vasser Clements! The Country Station on cable makes me break out in hives. Turn the channel to Austin City Limits. You can often catch some fine picking and grinning on that show.

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse 08-06-2005 05:20 PM

The Country station, is that CMT? Oh, man, that station sucks balls, mostly, though I did see a good show about Willie Nelson, one of my long-time heroes, even since before I liked C/W.

xoxoxoBruce 08-06-2005 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Anon.E.Mouse
So it turns out that the older I get the more I enjoy country music. Yeah, huh? I'm wondering the same thing. "How could a guy go from listening to Throbbing Gristle to Ernest Tubbs?!" I love this stuff! Give me some Paul Burch or some Lambchop or even some Calexico and I'm one content compadre. Bill Monroe's encuraged me to pick up the mandolin and I find myself wearing gaudy belt buckles! Should I be concerned or should I just roll with it and appreciate the fact that Lone Star beer is cheaper than Guinness?

Can ya feel me? ANYONE?!

All well and good while your a happy newlywed but watch out if your life gets a little rocky because that shit (music not Lone Star :D) will drag you into the abyss.
In favor of country music is the fact that, that's where the southern rock boys went when rock and roll went to hell.

FREEBIRD!!! :lol:

richlevy 08-06-2005 08:26 PM

Clandestine was my favorite Celtic band, bodhran, fiddle, highland pipes, and guitar. I still remember coming out of the Tin Angel with my ears almost bleeding from listing to amplified pipes in a small venue with a tin ceiling and wood floors.

marichiko 08-06-2005 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy
Clandestine was my favorite Celtic band, bodhran, fiddle, highland pipes, and guitar. I still remember coming out of the Tin Angel with my ears almost bleeding from listing to amplified pipes in a small venue with a tin ceiling and wood floors.


I could use a little spin on a red brick floor
In that crazy ol' bar when Tim locks the door
Where the walls are gonna ring and the strings are gonna bend
And it's a buss on the cheek from all my old lovers again

Oh. the Blue Ridge mountains at the fall of the night
It sure feels good when you cross that line
I'll tip my cup and holler at the moon
I'll say-a-Great White North... honey here's to you sleep tight...


-Nancy Griffith, "Red Brick Floor" ;)

Urbane Guerrilla 08-07-2005 01:51 AM

Good to see we've something in common, Rich; maybe someday we'll be fortunate enough to listen to such music together -- exerpts from our CD collections, maybe. Better yet, play some. The Highland pipes sound well with saxophone, accordion, fiddle, and even the pipe organ -- one can achieve some striking hymn arrangements this way.

Bagpipes vary in their number of drones. The modern Highland bagpipe has two tenors and a bass; anciently it had only one tenor. I'm told the Irish still play such a pipe in addition to the the more widely known elbow-pipes -- you can set the drones on that instrument to achieve different effects, song to song, with lever-operated valves. There are varieties of Mediterranean bagpipe nobody knows how to play any more, preserved in fragments.

The Welsh aren't going to be forgotten as long as somebody keeps singing their hymns -- or playing them on the pipes for that matter, as most of them fit that instrument. Exempli gratia: Ton-y-Botel, Hyfrydol, Cwm Rhondda. Gwy^r Harlech would suit as a hymn tune, but I don't think anyone's come up with a good, rousing, popular text. Lledrod I don't think quite fits, and Pantyfedwen I'd have to experiment with, but a surprising percentage of them fall into "key of bagpipe," à la Slane and Saint Patrick's Breastplate, from the Irish side.

St. Pat's BP is one of the three tunes I know Jabberwocky may be sung to, with a little repeat at the end of each verse. Another, though you have to chop up a lot of notes to fit it, is O For A Thousand Tongues To Sing. You do this sort of thing to a choir director to make him blow either his cool or his lunch.

Wanna really freak out a bunch of country fans? And make one doozy of a technical fingering exercise of all the doublings, lemluaths, taorluaths, G/D/E gracenotes, birls and bubbly-notes for the pipers (you need two, it's a duet) that piping has and you could likely get into piobaireachd figures as well? Dueling Banjos fits on the bagpipes. :3_eyes:

zippyt 08-07-2005 02:45 AM

Dueling Banjos fits on the bagpipes.

That is SCARY to imagen!!!!!

xoxoxoBruce 08-07-2005 05:50 PM

If you people are all hopped up on celtic music why haven't you bought Elspode's "Tristan and Iseult" disc? :eyebrow:

Elspode 08-07-2005 11:35 PM

Perfect pitch with bagpipes: throwing the pipes into a pond, spang in the middle of a circle of ducks, without so much as disturbing a single duck.

Father O'Donnell: Mikey, me boy, d'ya ken ha' tplay th' bagpipes?
Mikey: No, Father...I duun't.
Father O'Donnell: Praise the Lord, sure'n 'tis a miracle!

Elspode 08-07-2005 11:39 PM

It's not so much my disc as one that I engineered, recorded, helped arrange, mastered and played guitars, bass, percussion and synth on (and sang a note or two). The real credit goes to the lady who wrote the stuff, played harp and whistles, keyboards, wrote all the vocal harmonies and came up with the whole shebang in her head.

I was just a grunt.

marichiko 08-07-2005 11:53 PM

So how do we get our hot little paws on a copy of the CD, Patrick? :)

Urbane Guerrilla 08-08-2005 01:47 AM

True, Elspode: very few are neutral about the sound of the great Highland pipes. We pipers make a secondary hobby of collecting bagpipe jokes because we hear absolutely every one of them.

This one's probably my favorite: that the Irish conned the Scots (back in the days when the Scots themselves were pretty much Irish) into believing the pipes were a way to make music rather than an instrument of war -- and have been waiting twelve hundred years for the Scots to get the joke!

Funnily enough, it's the Englishmen who believe the instrument of war part.

Then there's the one about why the Highland Regiments are so unstoppable on the charge...

Urbane Guerrilla 08-08-2005 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyt
Dueling Banjos fits on the bagpipes.

That is SCARY to imagine!!!!!

Demanding to execute, too.

Elspode 08-08-2005 12:14 PM

Personally, I am a big fan of both the pipes *and* jokes about the pipes.

I played with my partners as an opening act for a bagpipe competition once. Stunning. I mean, these people were *amazing*. I wouldn't have thought you could play runs as fast and clean on the pipes as these guys were. Not only that, but frigging hopping around and stuff. Just entirely remarkable.

Mari: PM me your snail mail, and I'll see that you get a copy. The CD is a heavily traditional-flavored, with a touch of rock and roll ethic thrown in. It was to have been the music for musical play, but after we wrote the book we pretty much decided that it sucked, and just recorded the music.

warch 08-08-2005 01:27 PM

Emmylou Harris was touring with Elvis Costello and the attractions- the St Paul show was cancelled- BOO.
But did see a great lineup a month or so ago- a California/Austin blend:
Moot Davis with Pete Anderson (Formerly with Dwight Yoakum- featured on Hillbilly Deluxe- my fave DY album), followed by Bill Kirchen (formerly of Commander Cody, famous for Hot Rod Lincoln, who absolutely hands down, stole the whole damn show- really, too much fun!), followed by the Hacienda Bros featuring Dave Gonzales of the Paladins- Its all roots- just roots with more twang and a bit of cojunto... All for $7. Dang, I feel your twang.

dar512 08-08-2005 11:10 PM

I got into country when rock started sounding so pre-packaged. Then country went the same route.

One of the groups that I really liked was Highway 101. They made some great music in the late 80s.

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse 08-10-2005 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by warch
Emmylou Harris was touring with Elvis Costello and the attractions- the St Paul show was cancelled- BOO.
But did see a great lineup a month or so ago- a California/Austin blend:
Moot Davis with Pete Anderson (Formerly with Dwight Yoakum- featured on Hillbilly Deluxe- my fave DY album), followed by Bill Kirchen (formerly of Commander Cody, famous for Hot Rod Lincoln, who absolutely hands down, stole the whole damn show- really, too much fun!), followed by the Hacienda Bros featuring Dave Gonzales of the Paladins- Its all roots- just roots with more twang and a bit of cojunto... All for $7. Dang, I feel your twang.

Damn, that sounds like one hell of a show!

Trilby 08-10-2005 03:08 PM

Oh, yeah? Well, what about BOB DYLAN!!!!????


*pathetic attempt to join the convo...sorry...(slinks away)...*

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse 08-10-2005 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna
Oh, yeah? Well, what about BOB DYLAN!!!!????


*pathetic attempt to join the convo...sorry...(slinks away)...*

And WELL DONE, too!

Hi!

Trilby 08-10-2005 05:30 PM

Mr. Anon--i actually like you--I'd advise you not to encourage me....ask anyone.

They'll vouch.

Mr.Anon.E.Mouse 08-10-2005 05:43 PM

ENCOURAGES BRIANNA!!!!!!!!

Elspode 08-10-2005 10:52 PM

Bri, he's a young'un...careful you don't hurt him! :cool:

xoxoxoBruce 08-11-2005 06:36 PM

Ah, she'll chew him up and spit him out like the rest. He'll move to a cave in the mountains and die of a broken heart. What a sad ending for Americas brightest and best. :bawling:

Urbane Guerrilla 08-12-2005 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna
Oh, yeah? Well, what about BOB DYLAN!!!!????

:coffee: Well, it's too bad the man always sang like a duck -- the only for-money singing voice I ever heard that was worse was Juanita Coulson's. She harmonizes with crows.

But for writing tunes and lyrics, he's done classics. I don't know what's wrong with him now, with that unintelligible mumbling he did from Japan by satellite a couple years back now in aid of some political rally or Super Bowl or whatever it was. As you can see, I don't recall -- but, damn, how the mighty have fallen.

I hope he has one more classic left in him, but I don't know... [walks slowly away, shaking head]


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