Daylight savings time debate
 

Well at least our fearless leaders are dealing with the most pressing issues of our time before wasting effort on pointless... oh nevermind. they are voting on whether or not they should extend daylight savings time.

i don't really see it as being a big deal other than changing the hours i work because of the markets moving while arizona stays the same.

what say you, cellarite?
Daylight Savings Time

I think we should just stick with one set of time. We're not farmers anymore.

well that much is obvious Wolf. you should all model yourselves after the great state of Arizona. we don't do daylight savings time and we're just fine. :cool:

Well, as pointed out in the article (and in previous posts here), it's supposed to reduce energy consumption since we'll have more daylight during "normal" hours.

I don't disagree (unless the Senate study shows extended DST will have a detrimental effect on energy use or some other component of our society).

I think DST improves peoples' moods, too. Could have psychological/mental benefits that are not tangible.

are you trying to tell me that you folks in the Northeast would be more depressed and pessimistic without daylight savings time. holy crap!

You have too much sun. You don't need to save daylight, you need to spend it.

where the hell do you store all the sunlight you guys save, anyway?

Shit man, this is what we're like when we're in a good mood. :angel:

[Cliff Clavin] Uh, actually Norm, daylight savings time has nothing to do with farmers, and never did. That's a myth. Farmers are self employed, and don't have to adjust their schedules to match anyone else's, except the cows that need milking. Cows can't tell time. They need to be milked when their udders fill. Their udders will fill regardless of what Congress decides to call a particular time of day. Daylight savings time is, and always has been, for the rest of us, to make maximum use of the daylight hours. [/Cliff Clavin]

OK. I'll bite, how does a lucky southwesterner with plenty of glorious sunlight spend it all up? Not in front of her computer, obviously.

I tried living in the Pacific Northwest once, I was a basket case after the first week, but I'd committed to a job that forced me to stay there the entire year. I used to cry on my way into work and have dreams about driving home to the Southwest every night.

I hate those stupid time switches, BTW. Just keep it the same - daylight savings or standard. All the same out here in sunny Colorado.

Here's our forecast for tomorrow - HAHA!

Just to bring up the level of pedantitude (is that a word?) it's Daylight Saving Time, not Daylight Savings Time.

Set it and forget it
 

Split the difference - move the clock ahead 30 minutes this weekend and leave it year round. What a waste of effort for an insignificant change in our lives. More energy and resources are expended dealing with the semiannual changes than are saved due to daylight availability.

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Splitting the difference is fine with me. The myth of energy savings is being put to rest, the impact is minimal. On a personal note, I would just like to keep the morning sun so I don't slip into depression.

I got a jump start. I've already set ahead the coffe machine, the thermostat, the microwave and oven clocks, the VCRs, TVs and DVD players. I've done the grandfather clock since it needed winding anyway. I did the bird sound clock in the kitchen because my dad is blind and my mom doesn't realize it's a clock and not live birds in the kitchen (Alzheimer's). I reset all 3 car clocks and the ones for the auto on/off outdoor entry lights. I reset my dad's talking clock by his bed (he is blind) and I reset all the other non essential clocks in the house, you know the kind, usually gifts or just old hand me downs.

Gee, I feel so worn out it must be time for a nap! :yeldead:

Someone needs to hack phone number for senator Who was on ccn telling how great this was. Then we can call him on Monday morning. Early so he can enjoy it. bb

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Daylight saving makes your grass grow longer, and your curtins fade! :p

On the news there were bunch of adults and children complaining about getting up and going in the dark.
I get up at 4, leave before 5:30 and start at 6. It's dark most of the year so it's hard to sympathize with them. :headshake

Why don't you call the TV station and offer to do a "point/counterpoint" response? I'm sure they'd be eager to have you. ;)

I hear you, but it has just started getting light when we leave here. I feel like I've earned the morning sun and now its gone...

Boo to the new DST.

I'm at work this morning trying to understand where I went off the rails... The servers all have the right (new not old DST time) but the BlackBerries don't. Despite the fact that they are set to "Use Network Time" and that the network time clearly shows an hour later on the same screen. Yes, save, accept changes, nada. Restart. nada. I'm looking at three weeks (now, maybe more in the fall) of one time on the BlackBerry, and one time for everything else. It's not pretty.

Check your vendor. I got a patch for my palm. The VCR is the one that's pissing me off.

You reminded me, the last mile or so to work is a 4 lane, straight as an arrow, shiny concrete road....smack into the rising sun. Too low for sun visors and still see past the hood plus refections off the road.

The sun would be a little higher every day and just about the time the sun would be high enough to be safe.... the clocks would make me start over again. I might only have to go through it once this way. :idea:

Did you ever get it to work?

I'm an end user, not a sysadmin, but I do know they had some extra trouble getting the Blackberries at my firm to get the correct time. They had to patch MS Exchange on all the servers before patching the Blackberry Enterprise Server. And there was a comment about Microsoft breaking the send feature for Blackberry users.

At least, those were the broadcast e-mail excuses for why it took a while for the Blackberries to work again. And why it took like 15 minutes one day last week for my Blackberry to turn on while it was loading stuff.

Get some nice, dark POLARIZED sunglasses. I drive the same stretch and I don't have a problem. :cool:

Some interesting information about the supposed energy savings on this clip form a recent radio show I heard. Essentially the only effect of DST is that it boosts consumer spending since people ahve more daylight after work. The Number one lobbyist for DST is the Chamber of Commerce.

listen; it's about halfway in.
http://stream.publicbroadcasting.net...amc-571241.mp3

or

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wa...&sectionID=715

3ft. heard it broadcast. I believe it. golf lobby says one month earlier one hour dst change is worth $100 million dollars. I bet the lobbying expenses were a small fraction of that.

glatt:

Nope. Didn't work, completely. Grrr.

BlackBerries use a different lookup table to know when dst is. Different from the lookup tables that the underlying OS uses. a real pita. I tried the wireless dst patch push and got hosed. Frankly, it's easier to just ask the user individually to move the damn clock up on the BB. If I ask them nice, they think they're doing me a favor. They are. The fifteen minute reset time was listed in the docs. Normal. Sorry.

For the rest of the story, all my W2K machines didn't make the change, including the voicemail server, the phone switch, and a few workstations. Fortunately, there's a neat tool that lets you change the dst rules. It's called TZEdit. I urge those who get paid to care to read the whole article, and for everyone else to just search for tzedit. It's a real slog. But the tool works well.

Unfortunately, W2K and Outlook ALSO use different lookup tables for the dst rules. :rar: And I haven't found the time/strength to get to the "fixoutlook" tool. I'm sure it exists, I just haven't called out the dogs.

Don't even ask about the nt4 based cardkey system. :sad: "How come my keycard doesn't work?"

Im in ur svr rm windin ur clox!


oops. Forgot to add that some, not all, of the backup exec systems decided to abandon some jobs, reschedule some jobs.

I have several pair of glasses in various tints. In order to make the sun bearable they are too dark to see anything else. Polaroids only help with angled reflections, nothing for straight at the light.
I don't believe you drive the same stretch. :headshake

When it's light, my kids and I can bike/scooter to their bus stop. In the dark, it's too dangerous because of all the wankers who think the the 25 limit doesn't apply to them because it's hard to control the speed when you're talking on the phone, adjusting your tie, reading the paper, drinking coffee and eating a donut and besides who can see you speeding in the dark. :rolleyes: So we have to drive, which actually takes longer, never mind all the environmental downfalls.

Arrrgh.

I'm discovering more and more of those durable W2k machines. Up to about ten now. By the way, that tzedit tool works great. Highly recommended.

Gawd. The (partial) list of possible exceptions and special cases boggles me. Here's an excerpt:
oror sometimes it just don't work...
Too bad I'm salaried and not hourly...

Set it and forget it
 

See what Í mean. Look at that mess. Set it and forget it.

Yeah, that sucks. The people I saw whining on the news were just complaining about getting up in the dark. I don't think they had even contemplated the going places issues. :cool:

It's not just a good idea, it's the law. :haha:

It's kind of weird here in AZ. The time stays the same except on any of the reservations. The time changes 1 hour when i go to get my cigarettes, which are much cheaper on the res.

So wait, that means the switch happens this Sunday, the 8th? Thanks, LJ. It was the first I'd heard of it...

I think it's stupid. And not all states do it, Hawaii for example. And I remember seeing something on TV a few years ago that Kansas City, which is located in both Kansas and Missouri, had DST in part of the city, but not in the other half of the city. I looked it up, and it seems both states now observe, but can you imagine the confusion?

Whats the debate? It happens twice a year so all farmers who are being paid not to grow anything can harvest the crops they don't have any of.
Which part don't you understand?

So do you ever jump between the res., and the city yelling- older, younger!!

huh? WTF does that have to do with changing the time? *scratches head*

Read the thread title....

:lol2:

And? What does it have to do with farmers being able (or not) to grow things? The amount of daylight remains the same.

We all know that farmers love to watch The Tonight Show, but when they stay up that late to watch it, it kills them in the morning when they have to get up to milk the cows. With DST, the Tonight Show is on earlier, so they get a good night's sleep. This whole thing started with Johnny Carson. Look it up.

That and the toilet paper shortage of 1973.

I was being sarcastic abut the farmers - Here is a link

I didn't realize that DST kicked in this weekend until like this past Monday. You know how I learned about it? In my dayplanner...my fucking dayplanner led me down the path to righteousness! How about that?!

DST is the work of the devil.

The devil makes some hot chicks and hot cars, though.

Well, at least we know he isn't American, then.

It's not upon us yet (in England).
I like it when it comes though. I like waking up in the dark. Which you gain temporarily.
But then I like Winter - how I hate it when the weathermen say, "It's not good news" meaning Winter weather (in Winter!) or, "It's getting better" meaning warmer.

I like my light at the end of the day. I'm more awake then. But I do suffer a little grief each year with the diminishing of the cold and the dark.

Personally, I'd like it better if we 'fell back' twice a year instead of once. That way we'd get two extra hours of sleep instead of one.

This plan may have other issues, but I can always use more sleep.

I liked the years when I was in high school and Nixon just abolished DST all together.

Um -- I was in high school that year too, and Nixon instituted it early, he didn't abolish it. I can remember starting for school in the South Dakota winter predawn. Daylight time has dramatic effects at that latitude, like June sunsets around 9 p.m.