Hispanic Boycott in Arizona
 

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First of all, could you imagine if caucasians had set up a website called "Brownwatch"? or even "Whitewatch". (the same thing always pissed me off about "the black student union" in college, but that is another rant.)

Anyway, these fine folks were involved in getting the word out about a boycott that happened on Tuesday of this week. You won't see any mention of it on the website, because it was an absolute failure. They are advocating and asking businesses to avoid scheduling conventions and other tourist activities in Arizona in response to anti-illegal alien legislation that has been bouncing around down here. That'll teach them racist white folks...

If you visit the site you will see a couple of bills that this organization feels are unfair and racist... let's see - you can't enroll in state schools if you are here illegally, tax money can't be spent on building centers for illegals to hang out at and wait for work... yeah, i see how that is racist. The only one that they have a leg to stand on, in my view, is the English only bill. in my view, i figure that if you want government services you should be able to speak english or provide your own translator - but i can see how that one can be twisted to fit their agenda.

The hispanic boycott that failed on tuesday was aimed at shutting down arizona for 1 day to show the importance of the hispanic population. they asked for all hispanics to stay home. don't go to work, shopping. buy gas, etc. The thing is that the majority of legal immigrants are bitter towards illegals for cheating, the american born hispanics are bitter because of the ignorance and animosity that bubbles up when these events happen, so the result was that on Tuesday - nothing happened.

good work gentlemen.

From the sounds of it, if all Hispanics stayed home they would be back in Mexico...

If that many are getting in illeagally, why did it take so long to cause a stink?

this has been going on for a very long time. right now we have a govenor that is pandering to this segment of the hispanic population, because she wouldn't have won the election without their support and it looks to be even closer this time around. we have state rep's that oppose her stance and feel GW's immigration policy is for the birds, so they are trying to do what they can at the state level.

Hell, if boycotting hispanics in Arizona will help, I'll stop buying them ...

Nothing like encouraging local businesses to endorse fellonies, huh? Isn't encouraging a crime a crime itself?

hmmmmmmm

You lost me. Who's encouraging local businesses to endorse what felonies.? :confused:

Not Hispanics, Illegals. I'm sure many of our Hispanic citizens have been here for umpteen generations but even the ones that got here (legally)yesterday, but are not yet citizens, this is home. :love2:

it really is relative
 

Let's think about this from the perspective of an hispanic person whose folks have lived in the region for say 500 years. Competing criminal organizations, I'll refer to them as governments, cause a shifting of borders and your families property is taken. You move South because that government will only screw you based on class not on race (unless you've got native blood) or religion. Will the "Mexican" not feel entitled to live where his ancestors lived and were ripped off? yours in relativism g

sorry, griff - gotta call that one bullshit. i have a couple different strands of native indian blood in my background, can i have StL?

Nope, you can't have it but you can live there.

"undocumented immigrants"---wow. We've come a long, long way, chica.

XoxoxoBruce-> You're right; I should have qualified my sarcasm to ensure it implied illegals. Anyone who actually went throught the legal way to enter is A-OK; I think people who encourage, harbor or employ illegals should be prosecuted. Otherwise what good is a passport? Or paying taxes?

Well hell, I guess nobody can ever be satisfied because everybody has a forebearer that was screwed by somebody, somewhere at sometime.
We'll all be Hatfields and McCoys carrying on a feud that started umpteen generations back. :rolleyes:
Shit, I have enough trouble keeping an eye on the "Competing criminal organizations" that are screwing me. History is history, not justification for criminal behavior or even behaving badly.

I think the important thing here is that sooner or later, it should lead to reparations. Yup, as long as somebody has to give somebody money, the hundreds of years of Man's inhumanity to Man can be forgotten.

I've always thought that racism was a curiously slanted concept. Some of the most racist people I've ever met were not Caucasian. I've always thought it would be funny to have a White History week, complete with White Cuisine (white bread and Velveeta with Miracle Whip), White music (Pat Boone and Perry Como) and White clothing (leisure suits) prominently featured. Using the same exact wording of other ethnic pride events, it would certainly be decried as a racist function.

I just find it curious...

I get myself in a fair amount of trouble, simply because I am not ashamed of being white, and choose to hate people on an individual basis, rather than as a consequence of group (granfalloon) membership. Unless you consider "assholes" to be a granfalloon.

I do carry a copy of this, just in case, however.

Oh all right....if it'll make you feel better....gimme the damn money. :lol:

I'll second that, while it is (and important to remember it is) a minority it's always really got my goat that if you're not white, it's fine to be racist as hell yet the same people feel they can pull the race card whenever things don't go their way.

I see our immigration policy as the continuation of the feud not the resolution of it.


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Elspode,

I agree- imagine starting a "White University"? There is definitely a double standard here in North America.

We are now seeing the result of 25 years of special interest groups performing a very effective marketing program on the government and the media. If you apply to the government in Nova Scotia, many times the job will say "This job is only available to African-American, Aboriginal, or visible-minority persons". WTF? And THIS is not racism???? Why not say "this job is only available to ANYONE whether they are Black or whatever color, race, gender, or religion, I don't give a fuck, but you must speak, read and write the language of majority well, and preferably one other language. Oh, and I insist that you actually WORK for 8 hours, not 3-1/2" Then you may see the cream rise to the top.

We had 5 black guys beat the shit out of one white guy here in Halifax last week, and all of these media people are saying " Oh but you have to understand that they all probably come from disadvantaged households, and are only the result of systemic racism, and they are only lashing out". Well, since the police never caught one, we don't know that, so I am going to just assume that they are piece-of-crap punks, not because of their skin tone, but because they go gang up on other people instead of joining a sports team or..here's a stretch...DOING HOMEWORK SO THAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THAT TYPE OF LIFESTYLE!!!!! If it was 5 white guys that did that to a black guy, the whole city would have been turned upside down by every cop and vigilante so that they could find those racist bastards and string them up, and we never would have heard the end of people screaming about the rich white punks pounding some poor African-Canadian who was just minding his own business. There comes a time when we have to say enough is enough and start treating people by the way they act, not by their ethnicity and background. Bill Cosby is on the right track, saying that people have to start taking responsibility for their own actions, that the time is long gone that "the Man" is the problem.

I still don't buy into this "african-american" or "whozeewhatsis-ecuadoran". Africa is a continent, so if you weren't born in a specific country there, why can't you just frikkin say that you are American? British? Libyan? Malian? Polish? Swahili? What if the guy's ORIGINALLY from Sierra Leone 400 years ago, but his last 10 generations are from Jamaica? This just serves to 'unlevel' the playing field even more.

The race card is almost always a red herring. There are, however, clear cut cases of racially motivated crime, and I'm all in favor of hammering the dimwitted, prejudiced scumbags who perpetrate such acts. No matter what their ethnic heritage may happen to be.

A crime is a crime. An asshole is an asshole. Prejudice is prejudice.

You're not alone, Guyute. :thumbsup:

Most of the "Black Universities" were started when there was indeed such thing as a white university.

I won't argue with most of that Guyete, although I really don't care what people call themselves. The Black universities in the US were a response to White racists keeping Black kids out of school. Once you start an organization like that a community builds up around it and you don't just close it down. I'd have to check but I think in the States those schools have to take White kids if they take gummint dollars. I don't think you can openly exclude folks from employment in the US like your Canadian example does. We really should have more freedom of association than we do but since tax dollars infiltrate all sectors of our economy those dollars have to be followed by equal access laws.

and what year was that?

i agree that this nation has a horrible history of racist policies and behaviors, but IMO all of these race specific schools and organizations do nothing but perpetuate an "us" vs. "them" mentality. that attitude is poison to the soul. have you ever met someone who clearly holds racist ideas about other groups but has a very good friend who fits within the villainized group? what do they say? "yeah, i know he is ____ but he is different, he doesn't act like them." BS - the only difference is that he actually took the time getting to know him.

i seriously feel that the best thing we could do for race relations in this country would be disband any organizations that are race or ethnicity specific. would there still be discrimination? certainly. people suck, after all. but over time the us vs. them will drift away as people come in contact more and more often.

The reason I put "Black Universities" in quotes is that they are no longer only for blacks, any more than formerly white universities are only for whites. They're now called "historically black universities", and the only reason nobody mentions "historically white universities" it that they all were unless otherwise noted.

It would be nice if people didn't segregate themselves, but I certainly understand the appeal of going somewhere where I wouldn't be a minority - I didn't apply to any historically black universities. Such self-segregating does perpetuate bias, but it is also a defensive crouch in reaction to it.

No longer for blacks?? Go right ahead and try to apply for admission to Grambling or Howard ... Last time I was there the only white folks at Lincoln University were staff.

Crimes are only prosecuted as "racially motivated" or "hate crimes" when it's white perpetrator, black (or other race) victim.

There have been multiple cases of black or hispanic on white crime where the perpetrators specifically state their victims were chosen because they were white and they are not prosecuted as hate crimes.

From what I've read historically Black Universitites which are still about 90% black enrollment (many established in the late 19thc) are on the decline. Students and quality faculty are going where the funding is, to state and larger private schools, since they have access. I bet if you applied to Grambling or Howard or Lincoln and had solid academic prep and no need for any of their scholarship funds, they'd snatch you right up.
I forget the stats, but at most US Universities, men of all hues are now a minority population.

Didnt the level headed McCain just propose some reality based new work permit scheme?

McCain? were the cameras on? He is an overfluffed media whore. just as i hope the dems can come up with a better choice than Kerry in '08, i plead that the repugnants can come up with someone better than my hometown...hero. :worried:

Oh, I dunno. I think as far as republicans go, McCain aint bad. He seems to work well with others....has taken good stands against some corprate moves. What are your real beefs?(Other than his camera time.)

to compare a guy against other politicians and say he comes out favorably isn't all that impressive.

but...McCain is as big of a back room dealmaker and breaker as you will find. he is supposed to be a friend to the military, but sure doesn't show it when the cameras are off.

he had a major hand in killing the Refueler leasing program, and it wasn't because of the numbers. he was pissed that rumsfeld, et al went around his committee, so he killed it out of spite, but then when the cameras were on he was talking about the numbers. by doing that, he totally screwed over Air National Guard units around the country including the one 10 minutes from his Home Office. i can't go into specifics about the airframes involved but the program would have been a HUGE boon to the men and women who need them. while the case can be made that leasing costs more - it would have put the airframes into service years sooner and they are way past the time they were needed.

he is part of the group buying up land around a military base that isn't on the BRAC list now, but has been in danger for quite some time. on the surface, the land buy is to help the base remain open for decades to come. the reality is that many of the buyers involved did something similar around another base a few years back. strangely they were unable to stop it from closing. "sorry folks, we couldn't keep the base open. never mind the MILLIONS we just made for ourselves by owning the land around the base. nothing to see here, move along."

illegal immigration is a huge problem in arizona and McCain says all the right things and talks about it a lot, but he doesn't support any meaningful change.

his #1 talent is in finding the right camera angle , capitalizing on his family name, and his former POW status.

I was comparing McCain against his political colleagues, however that shakes, he comes off in the middle.

illegal immigration is a huge problem in arizona and McCain says all the right things and talks about it a lot, but he doesn't support any meaningful change.

Well, he's floated a bill that has sparked debate. Its a variation of Bush's guest worker deal, with a bit more incentive to register through eventual citzenship, if so desired. The talk is moving and that might bring change. Just maybe not the change you find meaningful.

I dont know about airframes. I would be more moved if it was armored vehicles needed on the ground in Iraq.

Land deals...? They're all about making your own money. Thats no real surprise.
As for the leaner, smaller military...isnt that Rumsfeldian?

whether we are at war or not, we always have planes in the air. the only thing that varies is the number of hours/missions. that requires aerial refueling. the refueling fleet is in serious trouble due to age. we just phased out an airframe that was in excess of 40 years old in favor of one that came off the line the same year. the only difference was the engine model. the replaced version was obsolete two generations ago, the new one was obsolete one generation ago.

because of the maintenance issues that go along with age, the birds spend a lot of time on the ground and cost a lot of money in hours/missions lost, as well as materials. the new airframe's weren't just new, they had a design that allowed for virtually a complete overhaul in less than 1/3 the time.

armor on the ground is something you hear a lot about in the news, but it is misleading. even if they don't have enough - they do have the newest and best available. aerial refueling is an absolute necessity and it is being done with inferior equipment and not enough of it, at that.

this was nothing than a political play between bush/rumsfeld (who aren't spotless on the issue) and McCain (who thought ego was more important than the mission)

land is about making money. BUT the public purpose that they are raising funds for is the protection of a military base. they have signs posted everyone to show everyone how supportive they are of the base. they will vote and jockey for upgrades to the base. then they will stand by and pretend they are surprised when the base goes on the BRAC. all the while knowing that they can now flip the land to new investors when they jockey to have the old military base turned into a civilian airport. they did it before...

I'm not in AZ, in the heat of the action, so its interesting to get your perspective.

First, I admit my immense ignorance of Pentagon spending history and military stuffs. Still, it seems to me that there is so much going on with these big contract deals, that to have some essential equiptment blocked just because of ego, seems oversimple. If McCain is checking the power of Rumsfeld/Bush, I wonder what the rest of the story is...

What should happen to old military bases? You support innovation on one hand, preservation on the other? I'm just saying its not a simple thing of supporting the military or not, its which military.
The weasley thing is if he can be pegged for the bait and swich maneuver.

I dont love McCain, he's anti choice, throws bones to the religious right, he didnt question strongly enough the Iraq war, although seems to be pounding the intelligence gaffs after the fact. His economic, corporate, gun, healthcare, education votes are pretty split. He did vote against media conglomeration/monopolies, supports the illusion of govt reform, supports stem cell research,...so he seems willing to disagree with the party, and question when it isnt necessarily the easiest move. I guess that impresses me most. Maybe its a case of Bush's crew making Reganesque republicans look moderate and likeable!

Let's try to understand them once their in prison.

Hey I'm a hyphented-American. I'm many: real-American, actual-American, American-American.

And here's an entertaining bit: not all black-skinned people hail from Africa. Is it still politically correct to refer to those as African-Americans?

Liberalists don't think out positions... they feel them. That's why it'll take them quite a while to get out of their deep, dark hole.

Careful.. soon as an employeer I might be sued for my hiring practices of discriminating against unqualified-Americans.

you know, BLB - i don't know what your real, well-thought-out responses would be...but i hope different. responses like your don't do much but stir up the pot and give a face to the fears that many americans have of the conservative, anti-illegal immigration contingent.

i am a political conservative, i am vociferousely anti-illegal immigration, hyphenations annoy me, but i reject your kneejerk, backslapping, redneckish response to these issues.

Just another smug Bush-baby college kid that thinks he's better and smarter than the masses.
Doesn't want to waste his precious time educating the unwashed so just drops by to stir shit.
Engaging is a debate would reveal how hollow his values are.
Probably heading for an MBA. :rolleyes: