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watch this video. Tell me, does it make you want to boycott the place??

Not really, but I don't eat that greasy nasty food anyway. The video actually kinda seemed a little over the top, almost like a Saturday Night Live spoof.

There have been similar threads in the past about other meat processing facilities. I think generally, the management disapproves of damaging the product in this way. They would frown on workers who stomp chickens into the shit for fun because then you can't sell the chicken. It's all about money to the management. Workers in a chicken plant are not typically the cream of the crop. They shouldn't be abusive to chickens, but the problem is probably not widespread enough to be obvious to management. If there were piles of stomped chickens lying around, management would put a stop to it in a hurry.

Also, this is propaganda, not an unbiased report. I take the footage with a huge grain of salt. I don't trust PETA, to be honest. I think it's fair to assume they selected the most damning footage, and the stomping may even have been staged or encouraged by the videotaper. The videotaper is by definition a con artist for entering the plant under false pretenses. He/she probably also was acting as if stomping on chickens was funny or something so the others would continue to do it. Who knows? I had a friend who was a private investigator for a while. He went undercover a few times and befriended people and conned them into doing stuff that they might not have done in front of someone otherwise. Then he would "bust" them. People can be encouraged to do things.

I havent seen the video and I won't watch it . FUCK PETA !!!!!!!

You want to get grossed out , got to almost ANY food plant , lift the cover on a controll panel , or lift a floor scale , see just how MANY critters go scurring .
FACT !!!!!!
Why do you think there is an alowable amount of rat rurds and forein matter in food ???
FACT !!!!!

You DON'T want to know what they do with the wattles , feet , and other bits and pieses of these chickens , but just let me say NOTHING is wasted !!!!!

yeah, I know, they make dog food with it.

Haven't you ever paused for a moment to wonder what part of a chicken constitutes a "McNugget?"

I don't spend time worrying about factory farming methods ... whether it's poultry or produce.

I doubt that PETA would ever do an expose' on what happens to your green beans and carrots from field to market, but it's equally pleasant.

Remember, it was the lettuce that killed people at Chi-Chi's, not the Chili con Carne.

to quote jerry seinfeld on a SNL appearance regarding chicken mcnuggets:

If it McComes from where I McThink it does, I don't want to McEat it.

Every food is produced in its own gross way. If everyone bought into these videos, no one would eat anything.

Wolf, you make a good point about the lettuce at Chi-Chis... I think it was some sort of salad item that killed all of those people at Sizzler. Can't remember and it's 2 am. :)

All I need to know about taking PETA seriously I got from Penn and Teller's show Bullshit!

They euthanize enough animals that they bought a walk in freezer, like the one at a meat plant.

They finance domestic terrorists: cite
# Paid a claimed $70,000 in support of convicted ALF arsonist Rodney Coronado (1998).
# Donations to ELF. The United States FBI considers ELF to be the "most active domestic terrorism group in the country" (2000/01)
# Paid $34,900 fine for convicted ALF activist Roger Troen.

And they say that my child is no more valuable than a pig or a mouse.

So yes, I take them seriously, same as I do any other threat.

This argument kind of drives me nuts. I think a chicken nugget is absolutely no different than a beef or turkey burger - it's the same old meat all mashed up and sometimes processed with chemicals to make it hold together/last longer. It's only weird because we don't see ground turkey/chicken as often as beef.

I'll admit McNuggets are kinda grody, but I actually think they're a little better than the fried chicken chunks one gets at Chick-Fil-A. More fat and oil in the composition makes it tastier and easier to chew. :eek:

I don't eat there, anyway. I was just wondering, because they are spending millions to air this ad, and they have pamela anderson backing them up and all that.

I am proud to say that I don't eat any processed food at all. I do eat beef, but I buy steaks or a big hunk of eye of round. It's still probably full of growth hormones and antibiotic residue, though...

And it isn't willpower that keeps me from eating all that garbage, it's food allergies and intolerances.

What that video DOES make me want to do, is shoot those hillbilly white trash asswipes that are throwing and stomping on those chickens. It's a fact that if you abuse animals, you are likely to also abuse children.

Ah, that's no big deal, Pamela Anderson has backed up to LOTS of people... :doit:

And this puts you and I on the same page as far as that goes.

Peta are off the deep end, no denying that, I seem to remember something about their leader wanting to breed carnivoris instincts out of big cats and other animals. However KFC do some very, very fucked up things to chickens, I wouldn't touch that shit unless I was starving to death.

The growth of checked and certified-organic(check for the real groups that are serious, not industry whitewash bullshit) food here is very encouraging, it's a premium I'm willing to pay and hell, it genuinely tastes better a lot of the time.

For fucks sake, I'm going to work in this god forsaken job a few more years, buy a field and grow my own. There's enough land for everyone to do this, but no ones got the brains for a simple life.

Anyone who eats that crap (KFC or any other fast food restaurant) deserves what they get. When the goal is to provide food at the lowest possible price whaddya expect? And PETA can do us all a favor and commit mass suicide.

you take that back right now, young man!

that's crazy talk.

It's the heroin that makes Chic-fil-a so unique and special.

What is this chic-fil-a you talk of any who brutally attacked it with hyphens?

you wouldn't like it. it's owned by southern baptists.

http://www.chick-fil-a.com/

they invented the chicken sandwich eh? jesus fuck that's as bad as starbucks thinking they know how to make coffee.
Krispy Kreme has made it to london, at least that has some merit.

I understand that KFC is a huge corporation and their "restaurants" are all over the world, but why only target them? If this is happening at their chicken factories, it's probably happening at lots of other chicken factories that supply other restaurants, grocery stores, etc.

Bottom line is, if you want to know where your food comes from and control every aspect of how it gets to you, grow it yourself!

KFC does have the best coleslaw though :D

The "simple" life means working from before dusk 'til after dark nearly every day of your life, and still starving if the weather's against you. Forget it. I'll get my steaks from a grocery store (or a butcher, if there was one around, which there ain't) and my grain already processed into bread. That'll leave me plenty of spare time to worry about what I'm eating, if I'm so inclined (which I'm not).

As for coffee... no, Starbucks doesn't know how to make it. The Bucks County Coffee Company does though. And for some reason the New Zealanders do damn good espresso-based beverages, but that's a long way to go for a cappuchino.

From what I've read, the problem with Starbucks isn't that they don't know how to make coffee, it's that they purchase the cheapest coffee beans available which in turn tastes like burnt caca. Starbucks must die. I'd rather drink "sludge scrapped off the bottom of the Mississippi river".

mmmm... Starbucks :coffee:

Krispy Kreme are the worst :donut: 's ever. I can't believe you like them. YUCK.

(It's fun to use the :coffee: and :donut: smilies :)

:headshake

Krispy Kreme = yum
KFC = yum, particularly the coleslaw. mash taters, not so much
Chik fil whatever = yum
mcnuggets = yum
starbucks = gack, except the frappucinos, which = yum

If you want to know what it's like to live off the land successfully, find a copy of "Alone in the Wilderness," a documentary filmed in Alaska in the 60s or 70s. It's been on PBS recently, but I don't know who the guy is. I'll google it later.

Anyway, he spends every waking moment either getting food, building shelter, or making improvements to his food and shelter. Lived like that for years before he finally got too old and had to go to a nursing home, where he died pretty quickly. You want tough? That old man was tough as nails, and as gentle as could be. I need to watch that again.

I watch that every time it comes on the local stations. I even stay tuned through the d*mn pledge breaks. That guy is in-credible. I love the part where he's making hinges for his dutch door. Such attention to detail. And how he transmogrifies the metal containers for his foodstuffs into pots and pans. I think about how the has to set up all these shots. He must have had to do many things twice or more to get it when the camera's rolling. Impressive show, awesome man.

i'm not a donought person really, I don't think I'd had one before that for a couple of years at least but they seemed pretty good. *shrugs*.

Love doughnuts. The biggest mistake Wawa ever made was to toss Dunkin Doughnuts as a vendor and start selling their own make of shitty douchnuts. Starbucks makes good coffee, but I'm not enought of a junkie to understand the whole ritualistic habits of daily coffee drinkers.
I was too lazy to go back and find out the KFC thing was at the beginning of the thread.

Starbucks Coffee does indeed suck major ass, but they are sometimes the only port in the storm.

Chick-Fil-A Nuggets use actual chicken chunks. They have an interesting blend of spices in their breading. They are the best damn nuggets available. Their sandwiches are made just right ... tender, juicy, and crispy all at the same time. They even manage to give them to you with no pickle if you ask for it that way ... and they don't just scrape the pickles off like some other fast food restaurants that are attempting to be fast for people at the mercy of the drive thru. I experienced great joy when they started opening stand-alone restaurants so that I am no longer forced to go to the mall when I want some of their stuff. They also have majorly good coleslaw, and chicken soup that a Jewish Grandmother would be likely to buy in bulk and put in her own pot to fool the family.

I saw that when it was on our local PBS station recently. It was laughable. First, the film was sped up so it was faster than real life. It was most obvious when he was sawing or hammering that it was being shown at about 1.5 speed or so. Laws of physics determine how fast you can swing a hammer. Doesn't matter how strong or fast you are, two people with the same length arm will swing a hammer of identical weight at the same speed. That's how pendulums on clocks are able to be used to tell time. He was clearly swinging his hammer faster than any human I've ever seen. The saw too. Also, for any given task, he would show 1 step (usually the most visually insteresting one) and skip the other ten steps he had to follow to get to that point and to go past that point.

Yes. He built a log cabin in the wilderness. Yes. That's hard work and it's not something seen on TV every day, so it's neat to watch. But that "documentary" was so biased as to the amount of work you can get done in a set period of time that I would almost classify it as fiction. Shows like "This Old House" make it look like you can do significant amounts of work in a weekend afternoon. It's part of the way material is presented on TV to keep it interesting, but at least those home improvement shows don't speed up the reels.

Actually, I believe the movie was inspired by the book. There is another good book out there about simpler living called "Back to Basics". It was distributed by Readers Digest back in the early 80s. I have been using this book for ideas, since we moved out to Kansas to a remota area.

I don't think you have to do everything this way in order to live a "simpler" life, though (at least as far as food goes). If you want to break away from eating crap, raise your own chickens. They aren't too hard to take care of. Grow a little garden of the veggies you like. Start it as a project that over time, becomes more robust, so that way you are making progress and you can at least feel good about that.

There are a large number of pheasant farms out here, where the local farmers raise pheasants for hunting. Do you know what that means? We get many occasional stray pheasants hanging around our yard. I have never tried pheasant, but in operations like what exist around here, one can be sure unhealthy pheasants = unhappy pheasant hunters. I hear the meat is pretty good, though, so soon we will be trying it. Also, you can research other types of farms and buy an animal for slaughter. Maybe look up some organic farmers who have he ability to assure you their animals have not had hormone injections for generations...you can find out if they are grass fed or corn fed, too. I am sure there is some sort of organic license or something that is required in order to assure that. Get a friend with the same desire for natural meat and go in half and half on a cow. Get someone to slaughter it for you and store all the meat in a deep freeze. It is surprisingly inexpensive to do this with cattle farms, considering how much you pay for a pound of ground beef here and there. Think about all the money you save, by not going out to eat? You can do this with pork too. If you have a couple of acres, you can raise a cow or 2 of your own. Simpler living doesn't necessarily mean tireless work for the rest of your life. It just depends on what is important to you and how important you feel it is.

Oh yeah, the guy's name is Dick Proenneke. I just looked it up. :D

I think you need to brush up on your physics. Pendulums work because the only force on them is gravity. If you motorized them, they'd go faster, and a stronger motor would move them faster. Likewise, a stronger person can swing a hammer faster and harder.

I haven't seen that documentary, so I can't speak to that specific instance, though.

Maybe I need to post that in the ignorance thread.

All those old home movies look fast. Anyway, the impressive thing wasn't how fast he built the stuff, it was the ingenuity and planning that was cool. I don't want to watch the whole process of building anything. He can plane one log and I get the picture. I don't need to see all 70 of them planed.

I wanted more wildlife scenes, though. The one of the moose with the black flies attacking it is the only one that jumps to mind.

Um, and KFC is um, yeah. Back to that.

In honor of this thread, I ate KFC last night for dinner (after a leisurely 45-mile bike ride).

I actually wanted to go to Popeye's, but that was closed, so I had to go to the KFC next door.

I walked inside and a customer is bickering alternately with a cashier and the equally-dumb manager over whether he had already paid for his meal. The guy had a receipt and about $7 in change (out of $20), so I'm not really sure why they were arguing for a good 5-6 minutes.

But then it's my turn to undergo the wrath of the cashier. I order: a three-piece meal with white meat, mashed potatos and gravy, green beans and a medium Pepsi.

I get: two pieces of chicken - a drumstick and a thigh - mashed potatos with no gravy, cole slaw and a medium root beer. Of course I don't know this until I am back in my apartment, but grr, I was angry.

Anyway, just a sidenote.

ain't karma a bitch.

bn, dude. You got the other guy's dinner! :) or :(

Pheasant is excellent, as long as it's prepared right, and that means from right after it's killed until it's cooked. (Don't ask me how, but I have tasted the difference. But I'm sure my hubby knows.)

Just from driving by a Tyson plant in Arkansas, and seeing in the parking lot semi-trucks accidentally running over numerous chickens and hearing that loud POP! made me NOT want to see anymore, and I lost my appetite for chicken.
For a little while.
BTW I skipped the video, I don't care to see a PETA video (or anything from PETA for that matter), but thanks anyway.

Word of warning about travelling about Kansas - when we went from Oklahoma to Colorado, - by way of Dodge City - somewhere in Southeastern Kansas, we encountered a strong ammonnia smell, and a few miles later, another very unpleasant odor began mixing in too. A few miles later, after repeatedly reassuring children that nobody had gas or had had a terrible accident, we saw a sign that said "Senic Overlook Ahead". There's a few nice places to pull off of the road to take pictures of, appreciate, and enjoy a huge horribly vile smelling, did I mention huge - massively huge? cattle feedlot. I've seen "scenic views" of beautiful places in Arkansas, Missouri, Colorado, Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, Texas, and Oklahoma (can't think of any in Iowa), but is this scenic to anyone??!! Sure, it's probably quite a sight to some folks who've never been exposed to anything like that, but I still think a sign reading "Stench Site" would've been more appropriate!

Yes, BH, I know about that feedlot. It is on the other side of the state from me. I am on the southwestern side. I believe that feedlot is in a valley and it is notorious for smelling really bad. We have feedlots around here, but the land is very flat and we don't get much of the smell at all.

I am starting to lose my appetite for chicken...at least that prepackaged stuff in the plastic, anyway. Blech. Beef can be bad, too, but at least I get to see how they are raised and I don't see the same gross inhumane treatment (at least not yet). :eyebrow:

OK, I've been lurking for awhile. I figured now is as good a time as any to butt in, so here goes...

Not to give you a hard time or anything, but aren't we responsible for our own actions? No matter what the guy videotaping was doing, that doesn't give those guys the right to stomp on chickens because it's fun. If someone "eggs you on" (pardon the pun! haha) to rob a bank, should they be held responsible? Of course not. I haven't watched the video and don't want to, but I have a hard time defending anyone who abuses an animal for fun, no matter what the circumstance.

OK, that's my 2 cents...back to lurking! :biggrin:

Welcome. You don't have to go back to lurking. It's kind of like potato chips. You can't post just once ...

Actually it does matter what the videotaper was doing ... if s/he instigated the stomping in any way that person is responsible for it. Yes, the one who plans the bank robbery is as responsible as those who carry it out.

Thank for the welcome, Wolf! I appreciate it! :) I've even figured out the smileys already!

I still don't think I can agree with you on this, though. Unless somebody's holding a gun to my head, I'm not going to stomp on a chicken, rob a bank or whatever. Maybe some people are more easily led astray than others, but that's their problem. It all comes down to personal responsiblity, which it seems like there's too little emphasis on these days.

Indeed it is, but under that principle, the instigator is as responsible as the perpetrator.

That's all I'se sayin'.

Yes, many people have been charged with "conspiracy to commit a crime" after "convincing" or coaching somebody else to do the dirty work. And the phrase "unlawful entrapment" (I think) comes to mind.....

Yes, many people have been charged with "conspiracy to commit a crime" after "convincing" or coaching somebody else to do the dirty work. And the phrase "unlawful entrapment" (I think) comes to mind.....

Not to beat this into the ground or anything, but I think you guys are letting these people off the hook way too easy. I went back and watched the video, and it's disgusting. I don't understand why no one seems to be bothered by the acts in the video.

So is there any proof that there's "instigating" going on in this video? Have they found evidence of this? If not, then in my humble opinion, it's a non-issue in this particular case.

I'm no fan of PETA either, but I can't think of one rational excuse these guys could possibly have to explain their behavior. I checked a couple sites, and it looks like they brought these guys up on charges, or at least tried to. If the investigator was guilty of "instigating," wouldn't he (or she?) have been charged as well? Certainly the workers who were charged would have brought this issue up.

Again, just my humble, newbie opinion, but there's no excuse for what these guys did. Because you dislike PETA is no reason to exonerate the a-holes in this video. Sorry, this video REALLY pissed me off. Thanks for letting me "vent" a little! :mad2:

I realize I'm a little late tossing my hat in the ring but what does the video have to do with KFC?

I have the DVD, VHS tape, and the book. :D

C'mon Glatt, this wasn't a "produced" tv show with 17 technicians and grips watching him work. The show was patched together from 35 year old home movies he took as a record of him building a home...a life...out of what nature provided in a very hostile wilderness.
Home movies, even with a good 16mm camera, are not accurate for time and motion studies.
He was 51 years old when he paddled his canoe out of civilization. At 82 he finally had to give it up but he was still climbing that ladder to his meat locker and carrying his water from the lake. 99% of the people trying this would die.

Sure it only touched on the highlights of the work involved and you only saw the last three strokes of the saw when he sliced a board from a log, but they were only trying to present a clue of what was involved, for people that haven't one.
How can you get 32 years into a 1 hour show. You have to fill in the blanks from the timeline they gave you. He told how many weeks elapsed within the few minutes of video to build a cabin.
You could also rightfully criticize them glossing over the hardships he suffered but I think it's near a miracle this remarkable record exists at all.

Were you pissed because they didn't show you exactly how the Bat Cave was built before going after the Joker? :D

I think you misunderstood Wolf's position. I think she said the person that eggs someone on or plans the act is ALSO guilty. Nobody is being let off the hook.

Oh, and don't give me that "humble, newbie opinion" shit. You've lost your cherry, YOU are one of US now. Bwahahahahahahaha. :lol:

Chick-fil-A beats the shit out of KFC every damn time.

Bojangles is better than Popeye's.

Krispy Creme is so much better than Dunkin Donuts it's not even funny.

Starbucks coffee? Well, I don't drink it, but their Chai Latte and Chai Creme Frappaccino are to DIE for.

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