Buying a new computer
 

I need a new computer, and i'm pretty much an off the shelf buyer. I don't need anything fancy, just internet and email mainly, but i do want to be able to burn cd's and dvd's.

is this a decent product for the price? is there something else i should be looking at?

off the shelf

one word: fuckdell

they have really really slipped. i have a one year old paperweight, and this one is all fucked up, too.
that said, i don;t know what i'd buy if i was shopping. i might even cross over to mac.

2 words- BUY CLONE

1 word- FUCKANYCOMPANYWHOSELLSYOUAPCTHATYOUHAVETOCALLKANSASONYOURNICKELTHEDAYAFTERYOUBUYITTOFIXIT. Story- a customer of mine bought a brand-name PC and the local shop wouldn't and couldn't touch it. He had to call Kansas to get the dork on the phone to help him access the BIOS and it took over 20 minutes just to get an operator, calling long-distance from Nova Scotia.

Moral: Buy a clone, because then you can do your own fixes and mods without ruining your warranty or having to call half-way across the continent for tech support. You may save some bucks at the front end buying a Dell or other PC from a flyer, but in the end, build your own or buy local. You have a lot more control over vid cards, sound cards, memory, HDD, etc.

ok, then - Dell is out.

considering that all i want to do is surf, email, cdr/dvd burning - what specifications do i need? price isn't the big issue. value is. i don't want to pay a bunch for bells and whistles that a non gaming type like me will never use.

celeron/pentium?
speed
memory
come on - this is the cellar, i hear there were one or two computer types in here...

I thought SteveDallas bought an off the shelf Compaq last year? has that gone ok?

Nobody is serving your needs, l123. The problem with Dell and other such vendors is that they inevitably build some serious cost-cutting minimums into their systems and have no interest in building you something that will last.

You need a dirt cheap CPU, an average but reliable main board with built-in video and audio, a cheap case with an expensive power supply, name-brand memory, Seagate drives, an LCD display and WinXP.

I bought a dell last year on the company employee purchase program and I haven't had one bit of trouble with it.

I just bought my husband a new dell on this year's plan, 3.2G w/HT, 80M HDD, 256M Nvidia 6800, 1G RAM (upgradable), DVD-R/CD-RW, 19' viewable Flat Panel LCD monitor, loaded (modem, NIC, optical mouse, keyboard, floppy), shipped 2-day and 4 yr inclusive warranty. $1600. including tax.

When next year's plan comes up, I'll finally get my laptop.

This is our 5th dell total. Never EVER had a problem with them. Tried clones, ex husband built his own, had a friend build em, had nothing but problems. Go Dell.

The trouble with the big companies is that by the time you know that a system they sold you is solid and stable, some MBA has probably proposed a cost-cutting measure to crappify the latest offering, so anyone you give a reccomendation to will be screwed and hate you forever. The good thing about the big companies is that once you get past their defensive layer of bad technical support, they usually have some good technical support in reserve, which you don't necessarily get with a homebrew system.

so are you all saying i need to find someone to just build one for me? how much will i spend? how do i find a person to do it? (and know that they know what they are doing?) i know store bought is inferior, but there has to be something simple and decent sitting on a shelf somewhere. i have absolutely no desire to ever open my computer up and do anything to it myself.
i am very good at helping people plan for retirement, send kids to school, and save for a house... that is where my time is the most productive - i'm willing to pay others for their expertise so that i don't have to become knowledgable in some areas.

Macs are simple and decent and sitting on the shelf, but they may not be compatible with certain programs you may or may not require. They can certainly surf, email, and burn discs. PCs are more of a gamble. I've had good experiences with Dell, but your mileage may vary.

ok, Mac - i have heard people who have gone Mac never go back. what is different about them? i don't care about the technical stuff - just the things i would notice in the course of doing what i do.

i have never even looked at a mac so keep your giggling to yourselves i admit i am completely ignorant when it comes to computers.

oh and i guess back to my original question - other than dell being the devil's spawn - does this system (the one that started the thread) have what i need to do what i want, or would i need to turn around and buy upgrades?

It would do what you want. I'd probably upgrade the mouse (optical is nicer), but that's a minor point.

The Dell is fine for what you want. My previous employer bought me that exact desktop. It functioned.

The other upgrade you might be interested in is moving to a larger screen. I want one that does 1600x1200 native. I was VERY surprised to see costco offering this one for $499 after rebate.

Macs- The interface is sufficiently different from a PC as to possibly be disorienting, even though Microsoft likes to borrow ideas from them. The software library is considerably smaller, and you may encounter file format problems if you often trade documents with PC owners. But that may or may not be an issue for Microsoft formats if you get MS Office for the Mac.

Response time: 25ms
Does that translate to 40 Hz? Could be a problem for some games, but otherwise looks like a pretty cool monitor.

Good news for your friend...that call center he was accessing has now outsourced, so the dicks he talks to next time will not be native English speakers, although they will have American sounding names.

Lots of my friends are now unemployed as a result of this, though, and I get to drive by the formerly bustling facility every day on my way to my poverty level job.

It was a big deal when that place came into KC, BTW. Took all of about six years from inception to shutdown.

Probably took all six years for the tax breaks and incentives to run out.

Every pre-built system I have ever used was crap. They quickly degenerated into an unstable pain in the butt. Mind, you I'm a tweaker and so no setup of mine survives more then a week without changing.
Generally, when you are looking at a computer system, most parts have a best-bang-for the-buck catagory. With a kind of creeping featurism built in, depending on your budget.
Lately, I've been going:
AMD Processor (Barton Core, but will probabaly try the Sempron for my next build)
Asus A7N8X motherboard (Probably Asus K8NE for the next)
At least 512Mg RAM, name brand. Something with a lifetime warranty. Corsair rocks.
I've had good luck with LG brand CD/DVD devices but others have not.
I've had problems with cheap cases and heat build up. You can find some gaming cases with lost of fans pretty cheap and some already come with a power supply. Those supplies can be pretty nasty, so you may want to buy your own. Antec and Enermax supplies are good. The Antec Sonata is a good case+p/s combo for a decent price.
Best video card for a non-serious gamer is the ATI 9600. Get the XT version for a bump up in performance over the Pro. You don't need PCI express.
Western Digital (Some people don't like WD) or Seagate hardrives.
I use Samsung monitors, but they can have issues. Great picture quality, but some reliability issues. If you can afford, and don't game much, LCD is good.
Most of your other peripherals are pretty interchangeable.

All the above is my preference. Buying the parts is easy. The hard part is finding a good place to assemble them.

I've had a fine time with my Sony VAIO, bought off the shelf, under $1K, haven't added a thing to it, and it's great for playing games too.

For those less technically inclined, I'd go dell or gateway.

IF you go with the home built, and anything happens, the only person you can call (besides us) is the person who built it, or $75 computer repair shops.

With a Dell or Gateway-type job, you can call tech support. Yes, they outsource, yes outsourcing sucks. But when it's 3 in the morning, and your winsock bellies up, you CAN call Dell, but you can't call a repair shop.

speaking of outsourcing *is it ok to hijack my own thread?*

this morning on the radio i heard an advertisement just blasting AT&T. it was a union sponsored ad and was great.

it sounded like one of those phone message systems when you call in and they say "if you need to reach CHuck, press 7"

Thank you for calling AT&T customer service, to speak with someone in India - press 1. to speak with someone in The Phil-i-pines press 2. If you would like to speak to an american who held this job, visit your unemployment line. If we can hire someone in India and pay them less and provide no benefits, we can give our executives even larger bonuses. If you don't like this solution, hang up and call someone who cares.

they go on to explain that AT&T are laying off another 400 people locally to send the jobs to an Indian call center.

I found some answers on this link:

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29317
http://www.tomshardware.com/ <-benchmarking CPU's
http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28718 <-Intel vs. AMD
http://www.short-media.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=10 <- General tech support

The Brandname vs. clone debate is another no-clear-winner debate. Everybody has their own experiences. It is a tough decision. If all you do is invoicing and business apps, where you are more likely to get only software crashes, a brand-name PC may be your best choice because the price point on most range of PC's right now is sickeningly low, and over-the-phone tech support usually gets you back up.

If you like to tinker like me, then clones are generally better because they are generally tuner-ready. The tech support THAT I HAVE WITNESSED has been shoddy and extremely incompetent at best, so that is my main reason for believing in clones.

Also, make sure that your BIOS is not passworded. I knew of a guy who bought a PC and then the company folded. When he needed to go into his BIOS to set an LPT port, the BIOS was P/w'd so he was screwed. He had to buy a whole new PC.

now if only there were an MLM to distribute computers...think of the possibilities. i'll take 2 kits and call my friends in the morning. ;)

There's usually a way around that. Either disconnecting the BIOS battery or setting a jumper somewhere.

Try that with a new Dell. It takes a double-overhanded backflip with one and half twists to get that thing cleared.

Most motherboards have a "clear CMOS" jumper that will erase the password. Also, desktop bios manufacturers tend to set up a series of backdoor passwords at the factory in the event of a loss. If your BIOS allows access to your floppy drive, there are a billion password cracking utilities.

And I cannot agree with Undertoad enough about buying a damn good power supply. It is the single most frequently replaced part, when I'm fixing computers at work. Yet another problem with off-the-shelf computers; they put in shitty power supplies to save money, and a lot of them use tiny cases which use NONSTANDARD supplies which can't be easily replaced.

Lookout- LOL G1.

Don't call them in the morning- Start now!! you could probably call them at least 3 times before you get to bed.