Vegans are literally stupid
 

Provocative enough thread title for you?

Children 'harmed' by vegan diets

Eat what you like, but leave your kid out of it.

I used the title, "Vegans are 'tards: A Self-fulfilling Paradigm" elsewhere.

Like we needed a study...

But is
the typical diet of a vegan? Ever been to a health food store? Or a produce department for that matter....

Hmmm, it must be "Shit on Garnet Day" again.

Disappointing, UT, that you would put any faith in a "study" that was partially funded by the lobbying arm of the USDA. The cattle ranchers and the meat and milk industries have the USDA bought and paid for.

But that's OK, guys, I'm not insulted. I've been a vegan for 3 years, a vegetarian for about 12. I'm not "retarded" as TS so idiotically put it; in fact I think I'm pretty darn intelligent. And I'm in perfect health with perfect blood pressure and low cholesterol. I'm not overweight, and I think I look pretty good too.

So go scarf some burgers and chug your milk, boys--I'll stick with the vegan thing. It's working out just fine for me.

There you go taking it personally.
It's a legitimate post on a serious topic with a link to a current article.
I'm not saying the article is right or wrong, just that it is worth discussing and not aimed at any one member. We have a few vegans around, you know. :eyebrow:

I take it personally because of TS's comment above. It's a blanket statement that ALL vegans are stupid, and UT is basically saying the same thing with the title he chose to use.

I don't like being called stupid by people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

And who are these other vegan cellarites? I can't think of one.

sorry, it's the naturally aggressive tendencies I have from devouring flesh every day.

Good for you.

Enjoy your flesh, have your quadruple bypass, and leave me out of it.

It seems to me that the logic of the study is:

- These African children who do not eat meat are malnourished.
- If you feed them a token amount of meat regularly, they perform better in school compared to the ones who don't. Milk or oil works, too, but not as well.

From which you can draw the conclusions that "their diet is not good" and "adding stuff to it helps." But I get lost when they decide that the only way to have a good diet is with meat. The case would be a good big stronger if any time had been devoted to comparing reasonable alternatives to meat (oil and milk are mentioned, yeah; but quantities and types aren't, and aside from all the fun "omega-3 this" and "polyunsaturated fat that" stuff, you're certainly going to get more out of milk or meat than a dollop of straight oil.)

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garnet: I don't consider myself a vegan, but I've taken to spending some time around a few of them, and cooking for them on occasion. After I move next month, I plan on making feta and milk chocolate the only overtly non-vegan food items in my life.

Silly, I don't eat human flesh!

HA!

There's a thread in here somewhere. I'd be a vegan if I could eat...

Anyway flawed study. I think its easier to get all your nutrients from an omnivorous diet (not that folks do) but you can pull it off with a well considered vegan diet. Anyway I'd be a vegan if I could eat steak and eggs.

geez, another half-assed carnivore on display...
:D

Uhhh, never said you did.

Apparently you don't get it, so I'll explain. My comment was in reference to the fact that a diet based on fatty animal products (as this "study" seems to recommend) has been shown to cause clogging of the arteries, and therefore result in heart attacks--any doctor will tell you that.

But hey, if that's how you want to lead your life, go for it. I could personally care less. I would, however, never make the statement that all meat-eaters are stupid--it's not true, and it would offend people. Too bad you and TS think it's OK to slam a group of people based on a biased "study" and your own ignorance. Who's next, UT? Blacks and gays? Or maybe Jews and Muslims? No, probably not. Vegans are a much easier target, aren't they?

And Skunks--cool that you're planning on doing the veg thing! I had a REALLY hard time giving up milk chocolate, so I understand your wanting to hang on to it! Hope it works for ya--it can be a challenge, but I really think it's worth the effort... :thumbsup:

ever notice how the ones that get jabbed at the most are usually the ones that give the biggest reaction when they get jabbed? and garnet, you have to learn the rules. it is ok to pick on you because you are a vegan, me because i'm a christian, Onyx because her vocal stand against abortion, and LJ because, well - he's LJ - we all choose to be or do these things.

we can't pick on blacks because they didn't choose to be decended from monkeys, and jews - well i guess we can pick on them, they did decide to kill jesus...


:eek:

Yeah, I hear ya, Lookout. But I don't think anyone around here would call you "stupid" for being Christian, or call OC stupid because of her stance on abortion. This just came off as mean-spirited bullshit from people who I thought were more intelligent than that. Sorry all, it just pissed me off--please forgive my ranting and raving.

I seriously need break from this place.

pffft. quitter. ;)

I understand vegetarianism but I never got the vegan thing. I mean deciding never to eat chocolate again ever because it has milk fat in it seems awfully extreme. Don't all baby mammals consume milk? At what age does drinking milk become a bad idea?

I used to have a vegan roommate but I liked her approach. Rather than put down the stuff we ate, she would point out the benefits of what she ate. She even put a cookbook together and I still have it and use it from time to time.

As far as heart trouble goes, I think sedentary lifestyles are more to blame for heart trouble than a diet with some animal fat in it.

One thing I can say, tho, is that I've never met a dumb vegetarian/vegan. A lot of OC ones, but no dumb ones.

It's my understanding that humans are the only ones that go so far out of their way to continue consuming milk.

I'd be curious as to where cats fall on that scale.

Anyone here can call anyone names and they often do and it's fine, but when I do it, it's somehow more upsetting and the subject leaves. That's never my intent but it keeps happening. sorry ppl.

:(

It would appear that your speaking softly carries a big stick.

garnet's sense of humor is intermittent.

UT, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. especially sycamore, that fat weasel

I think the point of this tread was not to say that the vegan lifestyle was stupid, but vegans forcing that lifestyle on their children is unhealthy, i.e. stupid.

Let the kid decide if he or she wants to live that lifestyle when they are old enough to understand the benefit or consequence of what they eat.

It's not like they're going to keel over from a coronary at age 5 or 6, right?

think that through

Veganism doesn't do it for me: it's overly citified and an antisurvival behavior. Get in a situation where vegetable foods are not available but animal foods are, and you either ditch the veganism or starve, possibly to death. Not my idea of a sensible philosophy. Omnivory's the way that doesn't impede survival even in difficult circumstances.

That said, I like vegetarian recipes and dishes a lot better than professional-vegetarian philosophy -- and I particularly fondly remember the hippie sandwiches I used to get in Baltimore: a big slab of Muenster with sprouts and a slice of tomato and piece of lettuce between a couple slices of earnestly wholegrain bread. That was eatin'!

hey UT? i'm a little disappointed that you haven't walked on water lately... and while you are at it would you please do something about the weather...

Much as I hate to agree with garnet or any vegetarian or vegan, I have to agree with this.

Strip away the spin and the study basically says that malnutrition is bad for children, which isn't exactly news. It doesn't say that vegans are necessarily malnourished, only that it's simple to avoid this particular sort of malnourishment by eating meat. Again, not news. Not even to vegans.

And when was the last time you were in danger of starving to death? That philosophy might fly in Sudan or Ethiopia, but how often do you hear of people starving to death in the US? The "survival" agrument doesn't work here, where we have the most plentiful supply of food anywhere.

And if I were in danger of starving to death and meat were the only option for me, of course I'd eat it. I'm not stupid.

Actually, kids raised on typical Western diets of meat and milk can start showing build-up in their arteries at around age three. That carries over into adulthood. Actually Dr. Spock's book has lots of information about that.

Russotto, can I ask you a question? Is there a reason you felt the need to slam me rather than just making your point? Was it fun for you? I'm just curious.

I have a friend that was vegetarian for many years, then she moved on to the vegan diet... THEN the vegan raw diet (yeah, that means nothing cooked! Blah.). It lasted about 2 years and she began to look sickly. Thankfully, she realized that her body needed more and she slowly began eating milk products and now even eats fish and chicken every now and then. She looks and feels so much better.

My motto: Everything in moderation.

If you think that was a slam, you should see some of the stuff I write to people I REALLY dislike. For it to be a slam, I'd have to say or imply something bad about you.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to writing my paper on how a strict vegan diet causes irritability in women.

(see, THAT was a slam).

talk about people in glass houses.

That's the best you cou do for a "slam"? Disappointing.

Oh, leave garnet alone. They like to pick on you, garnet, because they can't date you. This is such a boy's club!

She's deleted her user title and all the info in her profile. She's gone.

:(

I think garnet is perfectly capable of taking what she dishes out.

Apparently not...

Go fuck yourself, TS. And you too, Russotto. I think you both need to get laid...badly.

OK, now I'm gone, assholes. Feel better?

Well, speaking from someone who's had both ends thrown at her, there is a way to disagree with people that is not personally insulting. When people obviously don't care about the person they are tearing down, it does tend, if not to hurt the feelings, at least make one question why they hang around for the abuse.

I think personally, Tony's little slam on me in another thread hurt more because it was an unexpected source. I'm prepared for garbage like that from (for example) Jim, but not Tony. And there's no chance Tony would leave his own board, so if you don't like it, you've got two options: get over it or get out.

Sometimes I just need a break from this place, and I understand Garnet's comment in that vein completely. Garnet can take it, it's just a matter of if she wants to put the effort into it or not.

I don't feel better. I feel worse. I liked garnet. I liked that she was a smart, funny woman. Does everyone here have to have balls of steel to hang around?

I feel very sad.

i like that she didn't look as dike-y as Jim expected. Garnet will be back... the cellar is in her blood like the nasty little drug that it is. once you're in it is difficult to get out. it may take a little while but she'll lurk until a thread really grabs her.

i mean does anyone really believe that Hubris Boy doesn't sometimes lurk? JuJu just popped up again, and Marichiko i'm sure is lurking - hell, she may be an active user with a new title right now.

anyway - come back soon Garnet - i'll keep my poking stick handy.

In a word, Yes.

Not many women hang out here and stand their ground.

[quote=Brianna]Does everyone here have to have balls of steel to hang around?
QUOTE]

titanium

Not particularly.

And is it possible to get laid badly?

Yes.

Is ball-kicking all the fun there is? I think there is room for more. This place eats it's own young and then smacks it's lips. I suppose there are those of you out there who feel smug and superior here in Cyberworld. What on earth did you do before? Kick baby chicks?

I meant for guys.

Intellectual snobbery is the staple of many boards. A combination of brains and balls are vital.

Seriously though, don't you think you're overreacting? Ball kicking? This thread was about a really bad study, it had nothing to do with garnet until she made it about her and set herself up as a target. I think, in general, the cellar is what you make of it.

I think everyone who's a regular here know garnet is a vegan.
I think that the title of this thread was purposefully done with garnet in mind. Whether or not that is, in fact, the case, who knows?

If it had been me, I would have taken it personally, too.

would it have been less insulting if we had 10 vegan regulars?
there are frequently threads started that are tagged in such a way that they have to be insulting to republicans, democrats, christians, muslims, creationists, evolutionists, etc... at least one of us can be insulted by every thread we have, it is our choice whether or not to take it personally.

That's certainly your choice.

Did you see the conclusion of the study in the article?

That's quite a bit more insulting imo than saying "you're stupid". I think Tony toned it down a bit.

I don't remember who's vegan and who's not. I said I was being provocative with my title. This place is useless to me if I can't be like everyone else.

:handball:

You can be like everyone else.

But why oh why would you want to be?

If everybody else is free, would you jump in the holding tank just out of spite?

Aye, and depending on my mood at the time is how I would have chosen to take it. And the source. Something like that from TS would slide off more easily than say, from my beloved Bruce.

Knowing me, I would be hurt, leave for a while, then suck it up and come back when I'm feeling better and jump back into the fray.


Actually, I didn't read the article.


You're right IF garnet (as the person in question) has children and is bringing them up vegan. No one likes to be told they are hurting their kids when they are doing what they think is best for them.

I don't know about less insulting, but probly much more likely NOT to be taken personally.

You're right, but that shouldn't make it ok to insult people on a personal level.

No.

Oh you wound me to the quick. :)

But then again, who can compare to Bruce?

what the fuck did I do? I was talking about Russotto.