tw & me
 

TW. How about give us a break? I would love to pee on GWB, but hell Posting the almost same shit in so may threads sucks.
ME. Thanks for the link in ever thread on this board ;) :D

Sounds like a title for a television show.

"TW and Me: Life with an STD"

When a man screws millions of people - and just sits on his thing looking presidential - then one cannot say enough times what the man really is. Today - how many days after the disaster - finally the first few American choppers have arrived. Did they off load the jets to make room for more choppers? No. They only have the few choppers that come with the battle group. Apparantly the Abe Lincoln was sitting in the area for days waiting to be dispatched. Then had no time to get more of the right aircraft. A Marine Expeditionary force that was desperately needed last Monday - is still in the South China sea and will not arrive until next week. The convoy of food from Guam that could not start until the president could make a deicison. That will take another two weeks. In the meantime, the one force that is larger than all other countries combined sat there for five days waiting to be told a disaster had occurred. This is not about hate of GWB. This is a classic example of defective and MBA trained management - and thousands of people who died as a result. If these people had been Americans, we would be talking of impeachment. He was that bad. He waited for world condemnation to tell him what his job was.

People died in the thousands only because a mental midget president is just that. These are facts so grave as to be stated bluntly. They must be. George Jr caused the death of 98,000 Iraqis. Now he let thousands die in the Indian Ocean by stifling Americans who desperately wanted to help. For five days, the American government with the best response in the region, instead did nothing. Please - anyone - tell me where the 'moral' is in this man. We are talking about leadership abilities and citing the worst - George Jr - as a #1 example. Those who don't like it need not read it. But it is a fact that few here want to admit.

What striked me most? This is the same "don't worry, be happy" silence from so many here when George Jr outrightly lied about and invaded Iraq. At what point do Americans worry about their own future and reponsbilities? Acting this way only makes "Ugly Americans".

Who doesn't want to admit it? I've seen NUMEROUS people standing up and saying "Hell yeah, the dude's an idjit." (paraphrasing.. :) )

There was hardly silence.

You're just as guilty of spin as the media. Shame on you.

And if those choppers show up with clean underwear when what the people need is clean water, or vice-versa, so what- the important thing is to get there first, so that we LOOK like we care. Sort of like the old approach to such things - just give a bunch of money to ineffective groups to dole out what looks like aid on camera. Or run into Somalia with humanitarian purposes in mind and get horribly involved in the politics by accident. Boy, at least we LOOKED like we cared back then eh?

In the other thread, the article posted about sri lanka...mentions that US planes were already there...

So maybe...just possibly.. TW doesn't know the full story?

Well that's why I decided to poke tw on this... he never answered my questions about the C-130s.

TW. If you'll start a recall, impeachment I'll be one of the frist to sign it.

Problem with that reasoning is that all that stuff now being distributed is exactly what was sitting on those ships one week ago. And yes, those ships even carry water purification systems that can be deployed immediately. Those ships sat three days away with so much of what the disaster needed - including transport to get it there. UT, your reasoning is correct if the ships did not have what was needed on day one. Using only what was already onboard, those ships are finally deploying what was needed one week ago. Americans had ready to deploy one week ago the foods, medicines, medical aid, water purifiaction system, tents, etc that were desperately needed. Stifled for five days until George Jr could make a deicison.

If you drop supplies on a dock to rot, or get stolen, or held and defended by the strongest motherfucker in the area, you have served no useful purpose.

Relief work is not just about getting the right supplies to the right place. It's about getting them distributed to the people who actually need them. You also have to look at what you're handing out — What use is a ton of dried milk and rice if you don't also have clean water?

Six C-130s (medium transport planes) constitutes a response to 5 million people? They needed thousands of transport planes. They need people on the ground to unload and distribute that aid. And they need cooridinators (ie air traffic control) that comes with the first 100 planes. Tell me what six C-130s are other than a politically correct response.

A drop of water in the barrel - and then proclaim to the world that George Jr is a 'moral' man? That's bull. That is why the US again looked so foolish in the eyes of the world. In the meantime little countries such as New Zealand and Australia were crowding the runways with assistance.

What first responders need is not difficult. Food. Shelter. Medical teams with medicines. Clean water. Blankets. Literally the basic materials to save and maintain life ... for 5 million people. And so we sent 6 C-130s and P-3 Orions. What do P-3 Orions normally do? Hunt submarines. Where is aid being delivered by P-3 Orions survelliance planes?

Onyxcougar - which planes were in Sri Lanka days after the Tsunami? P-3 Orions? Anti-submarine warfare planes? Or planes with supplies. Tell me. What planes did the president send to Sri Lanka?

Exactly. So where are the people on the ground to distribute even the paltry aid from six C-130s. What was most needed immediately in those countries with the food, water, etc? What were the countries requesting first and foremost? People on the ground who could distribute the aid. Did American send even that in the first 5 days? Of course not. We sent some small transports - C-130s - and not even the ground crews to start the distribution.

America has abilities to repair airstrips and provide air traffic control to any airport immediately. But it too sat stifled for five days while a president decided to make a decision. Fortuntately other nations are responsible.

Did America deploy such abillities in the first week? No. Only one thing stopped the American government response. George Jr had to make a decision. One week too late - this stuff is finally moving.

BTW why are airstrips so congested? Why do they need so many more feet on the ground to distribute a conjestion of supplies at the airstrips? Because so many supplies were flown in by tiny New Zealand and Australia when they were most needed. They could not put enough feet into the distribution system. However those others who are truly 'moral' responded immediately when most needed - while America waited for George Jr to decide this was a disaster.

*sigh*

thanks, buster, for giving him a fifth thread.

Just for tidiness sake, tw, could you go back to the best and worst of 2004 that you thread pirated on this topic, just to keep it all in one place?

What is your problem?

You act like these people are a bunch of idiots that can't co-ordinate or communicate. There are people in EVERY country who are responsible for COORDINATION of relief efforts and COMMUNICATING those needs to relief agencies and foreign governments.

As it's been stated already 3 or 4 times, we have to wait for those needs to be communicated to us and permission granted before we go charging in to the rescue.

OK. Cite for me the day and time at which need was communicated to all the countries you're listing off, and their response, and at what time the planes from the GOVERNMENTS (not relief agencies) landed in each country affected.

Until you have that information, quit yer bitchin.

See above.

I don't know, TW, because I WASN'T THERE and *gasp* neither were you. Why don't you ask the person who wrote the article.

Duh.

Wouldn't surprise me if some of the first supplies contained Spam & canned ham. Which the Muslims might not eat.

The C-130s are exactly what's required. When what you have is a disaster area hundreds of thousands of miles long, but one block deep, the critical thing is not a lack of supplies, but getting them to the place they're needed.

It turns out the C-130s can not only take things to the location but take off with new supplies for another location. A water purification system that stays in one location - great for that one location, too bad for every other location... unless you have helos and C130s to move that water around.

Now remind us, how did the critical C-130s take off without that executive decision that was supposedly required on day five?

Well, gee, you know, Jews don't eat spam or pork either, but they refused assistance from them, didn't they?

Not completely true.

Six C-130s did all that? Guess again. Needed on the first days are hundreds of small C-130s. And who has them (including the ones that don't work because they were built as pork for Trent Lott)? The one organization that was not permitted to respond for five days. The US government waited for George Jr to respond.

But C-130s are not what is really needed. Needed are bigger planes that fly faster, need not land, and deliver more supplies.

Furthermore, the disaster is so extensive that even helicopters find it difficult to land. What is a paltry 6 C-130s suppose to do? What are P-3 Orions (I believe he sent nine) going to do? Show me supplies being delivered by P-3 Orions. Its called waving the flag. Pretend help has arrived. In the meantime even India - a victim - was also providing more aid to those adjacent nations. Why? They did not have a mental midget president who thought six C-130s were big planes. Instead India was sending serious aid.

Real aid does not start until the C-17s and C-5A start landing. Its been one week. Where are they? Oh. The president had to make a decision.

:confused:

"Small" C-130s? Aren't they all the same size??

C-130s are medium transport planes. They should have been out of production long ago because the C-130 - as military transport - was not a small plane. C-17s do what the C-130 did - but better. Any money wasted on C-130Js means less of the larger, faster, more efficient C-17s. Ironic, those latest built C-130s (done only for Senator pork reasons) still are not operational. Once the C-130 was a big transport. No longer. C-130s are small transport planes - as the DC-10 once was a big cargo plane.

visual aid:
http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/c130_200.jpg

understood, but my point was really about commonality of eating habits in regards to.... never mind.

Yes, the C-17 is one hell of an aircraft in that it’ll carry 85 tons at 500 mph, and with in-flight refueling, fly around the world. All it needs is a 3000 x 92 foot dirt strip to get in and out because they can routinely back up to do a 3 point turn on the strip.

Now the C-130 is also a good aircraft, 23 tons at almost 300 knots for 2500 miles. Not only short strip capable but they have this neat trick of yanking a cargo pallet (up to 38000 lbs) out the back door with a ‘chute while flying 10’ off the ground and not having to land at all.

Of course the C-130 is $23 million (1992$) whereas the C- 17 is $202 million (1998$).
One problem is there are only 118 C- 17s on active duty (8 reserve) and we do have a couple of wars going on. We do have C-130s, however, like fleas on a dog.

PS- I think the purpose of the P- 3 Orions is with their electronic equipment they can find things (even as small as a person) anywhere on land or water.

Capabilities of the C-130 was the objective of C-17s. The higher price? Notice who (unfortunately) designed and built the C-17 - which is why the plane so desperately needed took so long to get deployed.

Best way to distribute aid is not to land at distribution airports. Fly the material direct from the source to where it is needed, parachute it out the back, do same at the so many locations, then get back to base faster for more supplies. Its the same concept that made Walmart so successful. Eliminate the management problem. IOW we don't need C-130s waiting while other craft unload, reload on C-130, then slowly fly to where cargo is needed. They needed it last week - ASAP while the president sat on his ass. The Tsunami relief was a perfect job for C-17s. But instead we sent near zero response. Some C-130s and some survelliance planes.

BTW, where does that map show the non-operational squadron due to defective C-130J? Forgot where that Congressional pork was deployed - at the expense of a more necessary C-17. Where are they? Or why did that map forget to discuss the C-130J?

A little trivia. The same C-130 that took off in Washington on 11 September (bound for MN), was ordered to follow AA flight 77, and saw it strike the Pentagon - is the same C-130 flight that found AA flight 93 burning in PA.

tw, have you ever seen a parachute drop of mass supplies? again very useful, but these aren't guided munitions - you have to drop them away from populated areas or John Q Citizen gets real upset when his house, kid, dog are crushed under a few thousand pounds of water and mre's.

distribution is the key.

Hey Tee? How many relief operations have you co-ordinated? Were you on site where the relief was needed or were you in the command center co-ordinating drops?

MacDonald Douglas. They went close to bankrupt thanks to CEO Harry Stoneciphers propensity for sucking up to the Pentagon and ignoring their commercial business.
Boeing bought them to head off a European bid to grab one of our biggest defense contractors. Now Harry runs Boeing. :(
The C-17 is one of the most sophisticated aircraft ever built, including the fighters and spy planes. The map show OPERATIONAL C-130s.
The 50 C-130j's, built by Lockheed Martin, are assigned to 2 Air Squadrons which have been nonoperational for 4 years and 3 Guard and Reserve Units.
LM got in over their head on the J's and the military mistakenly tried to go along until LM could get it right rather than bankrupting them.
They had about 850 non-spec problems with about 160 of them category 1 which is life threatening.

I think the best bet for delivering supplies and extracacting people in the Chinook Helicopter. Remember the picture of one with it's rear ramp down on an Afghani rooftop? Unfortunately they are tied up in a couple of wars.

Hmmm... Didn't I put up a perfectly good GW lockbox thread...? ;)

Where's the Osprey when you need it? It's one of my favorite aircraft designs, in addition to being one of the most disappointing. I've seen one give a demonstration at Pensacola NAS several times, it's a truly astounding piece of hardware.

A pity really, it's ideal for this situation.

The propwash would blow people off the beach. :(

Which is all about the lies and deceit of a mental midget president. Even mythical is an idea that we can invest social security money - because the money was taken to pay for an illegal 'liberation' in Iraq. Investing your social security money in stock markets assumes the voter also believes the bible to be fact. A stock broker such as Lookout123 would love such myths. Says much about his real religion.

To demonstrate a problem with reality was a need 'on day one' to be dropping a pallet of essential food, water, First Aid medical supplies and blankets onto open and devestated fields that were once villages. Lookout123 distorts facts to deny this. After all, that meant a lying president had to admit that day that a disaster occurred. So many are so easily deceived as to even take biblical scriptures literally. They even defend the mental midget for doing nothing as people sat dying. He assumes that open fields that were once villages are still chock full of people. He assumes the people will be so stupid as to stand only in the one spot that pallet will land. He assumes the people will still be alive seven days later - that the first pallet was not necessary on day one. He does this because he must defend the mental midget and so called 'moral' president at all costs. Lookout123 even changes facts to claim aid could not have been dispatched for 5+ days. Therefore the president was right to take 5 days to decide a disaster had occurred. He was right to stifle thousands of Americans in the region who desperately wanted to save lives.

The president is right to claim social secuity money can be invested elsewhere? Notice George Jr is quick to leave details up to others - because he proposes but another myth.

Reality - whether it takes 5 days to decide people have died or whether the SS monies can be invested elsewhere - or even that Israeli are all good and Arabs are all evil - it still comes back to a mental midget president elected by those who would impose their religion on all others. Evangelicals such as Lookout123.

The perfect plane required in first days of the Tsunami were C17s that could have carried supplies long distance, parachuted them to starving and dying villagers, and get back for more supplies that same day. But another lie supported by evanglical extremists called 'the liberation of Iraq' make that not possible - as another has so properly noted. Iraqi comes first. A president stalled - remained indecisive - as if a Tsunami did not happen. Then offers up a paltry $15million to prove how moral he can be.

The point of the thread has not changed. It remains about the lying president and those extremists who will say anything to protect that liar. The lockbox is a myth due to the same president who undermined the Oslo Accords and almost got us into a war over a silly spy plane. Same president who denied for 5 days that people were dying. We call him 'moral'? Better to call him evangelical. Then he is not lying. He was just mistaken.

But once they got rolling, from The Diplomad And :)

wow, that was a great post tw. thanks for succinctly answering the questions i had posed. i appreciate your restrained, unheated posting style. thank you for setting me straight. recap: lookout123 = extremist, gwb = mental midget, air drops = best course of action, iraq war = bad. got it, thanks.

Well, it's nice that we are on the ball in Indonesia. Isn't it much nicer when you try to help people who actually want the help and don't shoot at you? It's also good that GWB turned over the US response to his father and Bill Clinton, two smarter presidents who are not viewed by a majority of the world's population as a boob.

Don't feel bad, Lookout. He didn't answer mine either.

I guess we're just stereotypical religious extremists with no thought or minds of our own, controlled by the media and the MBA.

It would have been nice to have something to reply to. By responding to sentences one at a time, you were not responding to an idea or concept. In fact, I expected you to grade my spelling. Onyxcougar, if you really wanted a response, then post in coherent paragraphs. Nit picking sentences is how one avoids the context.

I could not respond to something that was not coherent because it nit picked sentences rather than address an issue. I read your post four times and came to the same conclusion: What is she saying?

When will you answer THE question? When will you apologize for a president who could not make a decision for five days while people died? Instead you ran away as soon as the hard question was asked.

For five days, the president sat in denial - stifling thousands of good Americans in government who therefore could do nothing to save lives. Notice only 2 days after the president finally admits a disaster had occured, then massive aid was everywhere. Why did that aid sit stifled for five days? Why did a mental midget evangelical president do nothing for five days? Lookout123 must avoid this question because he supports the mental midget no matter how many good people must die - including 98,000 in Iraq. Lookout123 also calls that 'moral'. Notice he will not admit this president was again incompetant. That would harm his religious agenda.

Go ahead Lookout123. Explain why it took George Jr five days to view satellite photographs from his PDBs? Did this same president not learn to read PDBs after permtting bin Laden to attack the WTC?

Lookout123 avoids hard questions such as, "When will we go after bin Laden." Clearly the religious, such as George Jr, protect other religious extremists such as bin Laden. Still waiting for Lookout123 to answer that hard question as well. He can't. So instead he mocks what I had posted.

Go ahead Lookout1213. Post as an honest man - and not as a religous extremist. Answer the questions? When will you apologize for a president who could not make a decision for five days? When will the president finally decide to go after bin Laden? Prove you are honest and therefore not a religous extremist. Answer the hard questions.

you really expect me to prove i am not something when you have produced no evidence that i am? :confused:

When will you apologize for a president who could not make a decision for five days?

And furthermore Lookout, when did you stop beating your wife?! :eyebrow:

I'm curious. Is there an option to filter/block messages by something in their body, for instance the phrase "mental midget"?

Heck, i'm trying to figure out where religious extremism = dishonesty.

That's just simply one of the most interesting oxymorons I've ever seen.

Just a few things I want to ask...that I did not see covered in the above spatter of information....

1. Did TW not see that US troops were on the ground the day after the disaster doing what they could? (I saw it on the news, am looking for the source). Yes, our big battle groups may not have been there until later, but we were there helping, right away.
2. Does TW not realize that merely having a US military presence on the ground, daily costs an average of $10Mil US? (Gee, let's calculate, 7 Days, * 10 Mil = roughly 70 Million dollars...on top of the pleged 35 mil at first, that was then Increased to 350 Mil, that was then given pretty much a bottomless bucket, with Powell saying we'll give what they need...no matter what)
3. Has TW dug cash out of his pocket and offered it up to assist...or does he just take pot shots from the comfort of his easy chair?
4. You may not agree with Bush and his politics, hell, you may not even like him as a person, you may be holding on to a lot of bitter rage after the 'grand disappointment' in November, but damn man, 150K people died, and no, it was NOT President Bush's fault, so why don't you take a pill and stop trying to blame someone for an 'act of God'.

Oh, and yes, I'm a Christian in a round about sort of way by definition.......and if you want to call me a religious extremist because I believe the way I do, go ahead....it won't be any skin off my nose.

Kellie

I expect you to be honest rather than religious extremist. An honest man has no problem with these questions.
1) When do we go after bin Laden?
2) When will you admit that George Jr sat on his righteous ass - did nothing - for 5 days as people were dying?

These are not hard questions for honest people. Lookout123 is so extremist - so much a supporter of the mental midget president - that he must completely avoid these simple questions. Question one has been put to Lookout123 what - maybe 15 times? He still fears to answer as an honest man.

Bush press conference on day three, announces teleconferencing with affected world leaders and pledges the first aid

Day three. Honesty, tw? Honesty?

Now look, I know the Times put all this shit at chimpy's feet, but 1) it happened the day after Christmas, and 2) the fact that they went around the UN in three days starting the day after Christmas turned out to be a REAL winner in hindsight.

It turned out that most other Western leaders were off on vacation too, as was Annan (who REALLY didn't return for five days).

Correct. With thousands of troops but days away, instead we sent a paltry 6 C-130s and some recon planes. Since numbers are calculated to three significant digits, then 100 troops is the equivalent of zero. This in a region that contained thousands of Americans waiting - stifled - five days to help. The Marines that could have been there on day 7, instead, arrived on day 14. They too were delayed one week by a president who took five days to be humiliated into the truth.

Needed on day one was food, medicine, tools, and other aid that America could have been delivering that day. No one knows how many 10,000s died because aid never arrived. No one could have matched America's ability to save tens of thousands - if only the president permitted Americans to help. Instead George Jr stalled for a week. When both information and aid were most needed, then he who had full information and thousands of troops in the region, instead, sat on his righteous ass.

He never even told our allies how dire the situation was. They, with less information, had to mock America before George Jr would admit the obvious. George Jr just sat there until Thursday - after the world rightly humiliated us. We who had more in the region to send when it was needed most, instead, just sat on our ass. In the meantime, tens of thousands more died.

The first American response was costing about $6 million per day. So what? Why do you misrepresent the American contribution? The fact that George Jr only offered $15million says he would not offer help. The money demonstrates George Jr's mindset. The size of his pledge represents George Jr's mental attitude. He couldn't be bothered to pledge money if he denied a tragedy had occurred.

Why did the world redicule a paltry $15 million pledge? Was it because we did not pledge enough? Don't insult the world. $15 million says George Jr refused to acknowledge a Tsunami disaster for 5 days. If he was moral, then the Lincoln would have been dispatched that day - and no one would have been talking paltry money. It took redicule and humiliation to get the mental midget to admit a disaster. Ridicule of an immoral president started with his paltry $15million. The point - leadership of an immoral president.

Apparent, Dagney, you have not yet appreciated why a $15 million pledge was such an embarrassment. It basically said the 12 Indian Ocean nations, "Screw you. We have already decided your disaster is not significant". George Jr said that even with satellite photos sitting on his desk that said otherwise. Where is the morality from a man who could have parachuted pallets of emergency aid that day and had the USS Lincoln there but days later. How is it so moral to let thousands die for five days? Paltry money numbers represents the immoral mindset of a righteous George Jr. He could have pledged $1billion weeks later. It does not change the mindset of a "let them die" president.

Let them die? Its not our problem? How many ten thousands died because no help arrived for more than 3 critical days - in part because George Jr did not care. Where is the morality in that response? Those first three days were the most critical. George Jr sat on his righteous ass for *five* days. Where is the morality? The good and moral Christian response had to come from the rest of the world - when the world so accurately rediculed George Jr.

What was Powell doing while trying to clean up the president's mess? Probably again trying to get the president to get off his ass and be responsible. Behind the scenes, this again sounds like a frustrated Powell quietly appauled at this president's response. Powell had to spin something from no response. As was so obvious on Nightline with George Stephenopolis, Powell was representing a president who did nothing. The word used to describe Powell's 'no win' situation? He 'bristled'. We did nothing for 5 days. Powell again was stuck cleaning up the embarrassment.

Show me how a moral president could just sit there for 5 days and offer what is essentially no help (100 men is zero help when ten thousand were needed - but proves to extremist mentalities that the US responded).

There is no bitter rage here. You may think so because you don't like the facts. Clinton suffered same criticism when he bribed our local Congresswoman - MMM. But the devil gave us George Jr - benchmark for what is immoral.

They'll be shooting at us once the ammo dries out.

It's easy to do. Prove it to be otherwise. It is not an insult. It is the mental attitude of the man. He is a genius at politics. But as a leader - classic mental midget. Again, don't complain. Instead put up facts. Prove that this man makes inspired, responsive, and intelligent decisions. Prove that he does not empty a room so that he can ask Cheney what to decide. Without proof to the contrary, he must be a mental midget. Genius at politics and other devious accomplishments. Always makes for a great party. Never once ran a successful company. Cannot even admit to making a single mistake. And must be told what to decide. But prove this wrong. Prove he is not a mental midget.

Actually, I'm having MUCH more fun watching you prove that you are TW....yes, yes indeed, MUCH more fun.

Good lord dude, you are a rabid bull dog on a slimy bone...give it up.

You're so far out of the box, you're knocking on it from the bottom.

Do you think, just by chance, that there is a slight chance that there was no IDEA of the amount of damage and destruction by day 1, and that things were going on behind the scenes to determine what needed to be done and how to do it?

Honestly, you want to know what I think? You hate Bush SO much, that you were going to latch on to the first thing you could to just parrot 'mental midget mental midget mental midget' so you could feel better about things. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

And I notice, that you still haven't answered the questions sent your way. Hiding the fact that you've not gotten off YOUR ass...what..21 days later and made a donation to the people who have died?

I do believe that would make YOU a hypocrite.

Give three independant (non mainstream press thank you) sources backing up that he DID....if you can't....perhaps you should rethink your position - there has been ample evidence that the press doesn't always tell the 'truth'.

Ask Dan Rather.

Even Kofi Anon returned on day four when the UN finally understood the scope of this disaster. The UN only knows as much as what the victim countries could tell it. However George Jr never ordered action until Thursday - and only after worldwide redicule. His day three aid was phone calls? In the meantime, what did the president of Sri Lanka ask for? They desperately needed information that the president had on Sunday. By Geroge Jr's own words A responsive George Jr with those satellite pictures would have been on the phone Sunday. It took him three days just to place a phone call? Three days later and he finally decided to call nations desperate to comprehend what had happened?

The Indonesian Interior Minister acknowledges how desperately they needed information that George Jr had. Minister describes the first days as denial followed by days of panic. They needed aid and they needed information - fast. George Jr had both but offered neither for how many days? He never even bothered to call until three days later? What kind of ally is that?

You tell me what the president did for those first three days. You looked at the satellite photos that the president had on day one. You tell me that is was not a disaster on a massive scale. Even back then in the first days, we were talking about 17,000 dead with the number to exceed 40,000. That alone is enough to dispatch the USS Lincoln right then and there. You saw those satellite photos. Town was not just destroyed. Land beneath the town was removed. Anyone with those satellite photos - ie a mental midget president - knew this was a disaster of the decade. But George Jr could not even make a phone call to offer help for three days. It may have been worse. It may have been the disaster of generations.

But George Jr could not even make a phone call for three days - having this information. He did same with PDB warnings of the WTC attack. He sat on it - or better still - he never bothered to read it.

Why would you defend a man who caused the death of 98,000 Iraqis - who intentionally lied about WMD, undermined the Oslo Accords, almost got us into a war with China, and even tried to blame Saddam for the WTC attack. This is a moral man? Dan Rather is, in comparison, a saint.

You cannot prove George Jr is anything but a mental midget. That is your conclusion. Fine. We agree. The term mental midget is an accurate depiction.

Just curious. Can he spell potato?

I'd really like to know how you know absolutely without a doubt, barring the mainstream press the President didn't do anything.

What papers do you read dude?

Wait, don't bother answering, I'm just going to let you stew in your own juices, because nothing anyone says is going to get past your ignorance.

I have heard that India turned down help from the US Military. They only want civilian aid. I can't verify it, though. :confused:

What day did the military finally get its marching orders? Thursday. This from the White House. The Lincoln was on scene two days later. The Marines finally arrived today. Why? George Jr finally made a decision last Thursday. For five days, nothing was dispatched. Timeline provides damning facts - dude.

Just so we understand each other. I don't like Bush.

My question was more to the point of asking if there was some way to filter posts that have the phrase "mental midget" in them. There are times when you are able to make good posts, the only problem is that I'm tired of hearing that phrase.

My link showed you were mistaken, but I'm sure your opponents will call it dishonesty or incompetence.

India has a very special and careful relationship with the indigenous people on the islands of Andaman and Nicobar. For some unknown reason, they are very careful to protect these people from outside influences much like the Galapagos Islands are also protected. Is this where India may be rejecting foreign aid? I don't know details other than India is careful to limit outside exposure of these people.

I am tempted to call him the 'lovable' George Jr. A reference to hookers.

Please cite the quote? Yes he did offer some C-130s and some recon planes. Yes, he did offer $15million - which according to your citation was upped to $35 million on day three after the first wave of criticism. IOW that still constitutes a near zero response - similar to George Sr's response in the five days after Hurrican Andrew. FEMA will never make that mistake again. But again, if you see something different, then cite it. Where did he do anything more significant than a few phone calls on day three?