Where is Dr Kevorkian
 

While we weren't looking, the party of State's Rights has chosen to take away more liberties - and without comment on The Cellar. Since 1997, Oregoneans have had the right, legally, to terminate their painful existance. There is a time a place to fear government. When a party says that it stands for Human Rights, for State's Rights, for the individual man - then exposes what a right wing extremist really is - we all have reason to fear.

Attorney-general Ashcroft (the same man who imprisions about 5,000 of Arab descent without even a lawyer for months - we don't know the exact figure because he does all this without due process of law) decided to reverse a Janet Reno finding.

Reno declared that the purpose of federal drug laws is not to interfere with a doctor in prescribing drugs. Doctors could and should be able to operate in the interest of their patients. However right wing Ashcroft (one of those militants who advocated military action against China for the spy plane incident) decided the federal government should interfere with a law that Oregon citizen voted for (twice) and that is clearly in the interst of terminally ill. This is the same state that also would decriminalize mariguana only to have right wing extremists in the federal government again interfere with citizen's desires.

Ironic that some would fear a voluntary NID program and yet find Ashcroft decisions (including the jailing of innocent Arabs) as not worthy of comment.

It is not government we should fear. It is extremists in the Pat Buchanan and Oliver North image that make government scary. If only George Jr was what he said he was - a pluralist.

     Ashcroft has followed through with this. He has stated that any Doctor prescribing a leathal dosage of a legal drug under the "Death with Dignity Law" will have his liscence to prescibe drugs revoked.

     First we start losing our personnal rights. Now we're losing our state rights. This is a clear violation of the intention of the state's law. Ashcroft doesn't care because his Morals are more important than our rights. I can't wait for the law that says we must say our prayers before betime. It's gotta be on the way.

It simply hasen't recieved the smae publicity something liek a NID has.

Its one of thsoe issues they've been bitching about back and forward here for years, never seems to get anywhere. If there is one right i think you should have it is to end your own life, i men fuck its YOUR life.

Didn't know that either...How could anyone keep credability after that? With anyone? Noone would want a war with china form US big business to Mongolian farmers.

I think the problem with Ashcroft is that he takes himself very seriously. Everything is a new little "war" in his mind. And yes, he does put his morals before the rights of others. I find that particularly scary.

He's a hardcore christian - what do you expect =)
Anyone that puts morals before humanity in my mind needs agood slap upside the head, the catholic church comes ot mind, those stupid frigging aussie preachers who were caught in afghanistan then rescued for hundreds of thousands etcetcetc

Made the mistake of listening to Dr. Laura while hanging sheetrock yesterday, for the uninitiated shes a right wing radio zionist psycotherapist emphasis on psycho. She had a Dr. McQue (sp?) from Johns Hopkins, which she insisted on calling John Hopkins pet peeve by proxy one of my best buds worked there, whose written a book on terrorist personalities. Now you'd think this would line up pretty well with tws writings on extremists wouldn't you? No! You see Osama, Kavorkian, and the unibomber fit the type but Sharon doesn't. They took time out to rail against any understanding for Palestinians or Iraqis, calling anyone who calls for understanding a terrorist sympathizer. You see anyone who doubts Israels absolute goodness is failing to recognize the existence of absolute evil in the world. On one hand they emphasized how the terrorist personality gets hung up on one idea to the exclusion of the rest of humanity and in the next breath they defended everything Israel has ever done in the name of the big idea of zionism. Have you ever screamed at the radio?

Jag- we agree that church and state must remain separate, however, if you take Catholic teaching VOLUNTARILY it is consistent, humane, and moral. The problems arise when folks in the church attempt to legislate outcomes instead of preaching lifestyle. If you don't believe that the fetus is human then abortion prohibition becomes anti-human but if the fetus is a person then...

I've actually known one hard-core Christian who was very tolerant and wasn't a right-wing idiot. She did, of course, later convert to athiesm. :)

Oh man that's funny..

People wanted the Feds to protect them from quacks and such with the FDA and DEA and all those wonderful laws. Now they get to see the dark side of them. The obvious solution is literally unthinkable to most, so we'll just have more of this in the future (and not always from the right).

BTW, any doc worth his salt won't prescribe a lethal dose. He prescribes an approved therapeutic dose and just happens to mention to the patient what a lethal dose would be.

Re: Where is Dr Kevorkian
 

Oh, and Kevorkian is on jail on _state_ charges.

THe specific issue that got my goat recently was the chatholic church's interference/removal of the distribution of the morning after pill (not many outside the church would argue that a few hundred cells constitutes a human) in french PUBLIC high schools - hence seperation of church and state, obviosuly the church is a powerful political force in France, which is depressing itself, although democracy is meant to represent the poeple so....<flamebait> wonder if that explains Shrub......

I truly believe that the Christian right and other religious holy-rollers are the true freaks in this society. Perhaps if we start taunting them...

Last time I heard, employees in Catholic run hospitals are not allowed to discuss family planning or contraception with patients.

IN catholic hospital thats fine, its a catholic hospital
i talking baout
_public_ schools

Unfortunately tw has a point because Catholic hospitals don't refuse government checks and with consoladation they could be the only "health" source. Thats a big problem as government grows and expands into every fascett of life nothing is private and choice is actually eliminated, in this case the choice of health care workers not to participate in what some see as the opposite of their life affirming mission.

OH this is hte US?
Ohhh....i forgot the idea of state run serices was blasphemy over there :p
Much as they've tried to kill it we still have a robust public lhealth system here, with the option of a private hospital if you wish to pay forit.

Blasphemous to me yes, to the two major parties, no. Bushy is nationalizing schools as we speak. Our once robust private health care system has already been destroyed by public private partnerships.

Of course French public school abortions get back to my pet peeve of subsidizing immoral behavior so folks don't bear the burden of there own "choices". I guess the bottom line is you admitt that you cannot bear the costs of your behavior so "society" must carry it for you. That is not sustainable. IMHO Maybe I really am an anarchist, I'm having trouble seeing any legitimate uses for tax dollars. Anyway, don't take any of this personally Jag, your willingness to come out and say what most statists think, is admirable.

public private partnerships?
How the fark does that work? Private hospitatls that are funded by the state?
GUess i've always been a big believer in public services. Or mabye that because i've seen the power, phone, train ticket and water/gas prices size since pritatisation ni exchange for buggar all except for a few billion for the goverment to then blow by propping up the companies these once state industries have created which were never meant to, or are able to run profitably..
Hm...bitter mood this morning.



Oh that was uncalled for? I never said economic control, just control of basic infrastructure.

you bitter? I'm in a bit of a grump as well. Sister-in-law got a stack of tickets in the mail yesterday, got caught midnight slippin through on a red light but get this... no cop. just a little digital photo from the Cal. DMV. the noose grows tighter... back to yer cages nothing to see here.

Statist- I call almost everybody that. At least you knew to be offended. ;) I'll try to be better ... later G

whoops prolly wrong gov authority there local court no doubt.

Hows it supposed to work? You'd have to ask Mussolini. How does it work? government picks who they want to have succeed, stifles competition, pays the bills, tells everyone how much they are gonna clear, everybodies happy except costs escalate quality of service deteriorates and I get grumpy.

I"d rather have a democratic governemnt running things than a private company.
In the end a democratic government is elected by the poeple (competitive eliteist model) and therefore is responsible to the people, a private company is fundamentally about making money though exploitation.

Insttead of waiting for the absue over the world exploitation - think aboutit, every business exploits something, our unwillingness ot build our own house, grow our own food, vacuum our own house, whatever, its still exploiting that thing, whether it be inability or lazyness etc.

Why isn't majoritarian rule exploitive?

Aye.

I hope you don't mean "every business exploits something" in a negative way. I hope what you mean to say is "Every business takes advantage of a want or need, such as having the carpet vacuumed or the food cooked." I hope exploit was just a negative-sounding word in an otherwise neutral sentence.

We need companies because we need money. We need money because we need to get things done. No one would do anything without money. You need some form of compensation. It's not always straight "exploitation" - I pay someone to clean my mother's bedsores because she can't do it herself. That paid person takes the money and purchases tomatoes because she can't harvest them herself. That person takes said money and purchases some cheese because hey, they're only a tomato farmer, after all. We don't necessarily always have a service to render to our benefactors such that they're not getting a raw deal - maybe the only thing I'm good at is mowing lawns, but his lawn is already mowed, so now he doesn't want to give me a tomato.

We need money. We need companies to get that money. They're not all evil, and they're not all necessary, but business is definitely a necessary evil.

Dham - i'm quoite aware of the concept of a currancy absed economy :p
Exploit? You can put it in other words but exploit is as valid as any of them, becuase it has negative connotations doesn't mean it has to be bad.



? WHo does it exploit? Minorities?
I assume the idea of one group or the other having power is what you are talking about - i have a say (when i can vote that is) in a the running of a democratic government, i don't in the actions of a private business, unless its a public business and i buy shares, one dollar one vote.....Although some would argue thats what campaign donations are...